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Re: Official CC EVENTS ** ** NSS CLASS --Poll--
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After Jeff Johnson’s Chrysler Classic Events cancelled the experiment in, let’s call it ‘Late Model Nostalgia Super Stock’ and made my 1969 GTX obsolete, I felt I needed to better understand the situation.
So in June of 2005 I sought out Dave Duell and asked him the same question.
His answer was that a fundamental principle supported by a majority of the participants was NSS should represent the history of factory direct involvement and that happened more in the early to middle part of the 1960-1970 decade.
He added that including the later time period also made allowing the ‘pony cars’ a concern; that most do not accept Mustangs, Camaros, etc. and the late ‘60’s models as true factory Super Stock with the exception of the 1967 RO23 cars and the 1968 package Barracudas and Darts.
In todays TOUGH times I would think that the ABUNDANCE of 1968-1974 cars out there, would be a welcome addition to any venue.
The rules I have seen for the NSS class are very well written. 
But it does seem that given a few days of thought, that a similar set could be written for a NPS class. Then the cars count could go through the ROOF.
NSS/NPS class 
Talk about people comming out of the wood work to see this.!!! 
Yes, an outline of a rule set for Nostalgia Pro Stock could be produced in a few days depending on what expectations people are willing to accept. However, establishing a organization (government) capable of administering those rules is a more difficult process that would likely require more time.
Once established, stability and maintenance are always issues. People spending large amounts of money for equipment need to know the format will not suddenly be changed.
At the race track, people are needed to do technical inspection and race management. Both on and off the track, unforeseen circumstances come up and need to be dealt with.
All this requires a dynamic group with commitment. In most volunteer organizations 10 percent of the people do 90 percent of the work.
The current national rule set for NSS has evolved over the past 20 years. After all this time and work, there still are differences of opinion, as there always will be. But what we have, most importantly, is a large enough group both willing to accept the spirit of the rules and also do the administration.
We have had many discussions about how to best manage the quickest NSS cars, actually they take up most of the debate. NPS has been proposed as a method.
It remains a possible option but the issues of funding and administration generally point to a separate organization. As Doug as previously stated, getting change in current NSS rules has a very low probability.
That doesn’t mean separate organizations could not work together though and even perhaps share staff. A combined NSS/NPS show would be about as good as it gets.
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Re: Official CC EVENTS ** ** NSS CLASS --Poll--
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As far as a NPS class, you'd almost have to include wedge powered cars, with tunnel rams and two four barrels. Again, no electonics. Foot brakes or trans brakes of even (GASP!) a four speed. However, I would defer to Kevin and that cat from Sewell, NJ  for the rules deal. You just got to keep it authentic as possible. I think there should be class for traditional type NSS cars, and then another for "modifieds", including cars until 1974, as long they appear nostalgia appearance. Single fours OK, no tunnel rams or funky hood scoops. Have the two winners face off for the eliminator. Again, no electronics. I would also like to see us round up a car to match race Don Martek's gorgeous 65 Dodge run by Bob George.....it is a very "updated" nostalgia car, and would make a great match race partner for a similar car. I've been to alot of these races, and the danger is making the rules too loose. If you do that, you have just another bracket race and it will flop, I guarantee it. The reason BSD's Nostalgia events are so popular is that they are stringent on the rules and the events are very authentic. That is why they draw cars from as far away as Texas; and that is why they have spectators galore. It is really, really, true to the old days and it works. You have to be a bit careful, especially if you are billing it as a Nostalgia event.
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Re: Official CC EVENTS ** ** NSS CLASS --Poll--
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As far as a NPS class, you'd almost have to include wedge powered cars
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Re: Official CC EVENTS ** ** NSS CLASS --Poll--
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The only reason I say that is because there is a limited number of Hemi cars.
That being said, a Missile vs. Fred match would suit me just fine.
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Re: Official CC EVENTS ** ** NSS CLASS --Poll--
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As far as a NPS class, you'd almost have to include wedge powered cars
Godfather is not happy. Steve will be sleeping with the fish.
I resent that remark. lets keep the fish out of this please.
whats wrong with a wedge NSS car going in the 8's  on a 10.5 tire.
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Re: Official CC EVENTS ** ** NSS CLASS --Poll--
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12/24/08 11:50 PM
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I resent that remark. lets keep the fish out of this please. whats wrong with a wedge NSS car going in the 8's on a 10.5 tire.
I believe Grinwald and Habura have done that pretty regularly footbraking.
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Re: Official CC EVENTS ** ** NSS CLASS --Poll--
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As far as a NPS class, you'd almost have to include wedge powered cars
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Steve will be sleeping with the fish.
There were never any wedge early pro stockers
You are absolutely right...The best heads they had were Max-wedge III castings that wasn't going to cut it....Everything that I worked on at that time had Hemi power...You would not believe what you had to go through back then to stroke a motor...Only thing that had a chance against the Hemi's were the Boss 429 Fords...Then old Grump had to build that Vega...Changed everything
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