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Cummins vs hemi #1679835 09/29/14 02:12 PM 09/29/14 02:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,948 British Columbia C chrisf OP master
chrisf OP master C Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,948 British Columbia	I have a 07 5.9 one ton. It's a pos money eater. Injector issues as well as poor mpg and being in Canada we pay more for diesel than gas Thinking about maybe switching over to a hemi 3/4t Smart move?

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: chrisf] #1679836 09/29/14 02:33 PM 09/29/14 02:33 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,998 Salem Grizzly Moparts Proctologist
Grizzly Moparts Proctologist Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,998 Salem	Yes. Be the first and go get one of those new 6.4's with the MDS. I'm looking for a mint V10 but everyone seems to be hanging on to them. Mo' Farts Moderated by "tbagger".

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: chrisf] #1679837 09/29/14 03:11 PM 09/29/14 03:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada R RUNCHARGER I Live Here
RUNCHARGER I Live Here R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada	I think for you it would work great Chris. You use it mostly local and once in awhile the Hemi will tow an enclosed trailer over the mountains when you need it. If you were enclosed towing over the mountains all the time the Diesel would be the choice. If I didn't own my truck already I would be buying a Henway not a diesel. If your truck is a six speed my kid is looking for one BTW. Sheldon

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: RUNCHARGER] #1679838 09/30/14 12:18 PM 09/30/14 12:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,948 British Columbia C chrisf OP master
chrisf OP master C Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,948 British Columbia	truck is a auto Sheldon. I should have never sold my first gen. so much better of a truck and pulled harder and got way better mpg than this thing does.

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: chrisf] #1679839 09/30/14 12:48 PM 09/30/14 12:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada R RUNCHARGER I Live Here
RUNCHARGER I Live Here R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada	I know: Even my 02 was a better engine than the 05. The new style trucks drive nice though. I often thought about swapping a 12V into a newer body. Mines okay for mileage (not great) empty but it's no heck loaded. The kid is selling his 93, 5 speed dually, I told him it won't be an easy truck to replace as it's got all the right stuff. I think he should paint it and call it good myself, maybe put some softride front springs in it. Sheldon

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: RUNCHARGER] #1679840 09/30/14 01:19 PM 09/30/14 01:19 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,998 Salem Grizzly Moparts Proctologist
Grizzly Moparts Proctologist Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,998 Salem	Quote: I often thought about swapping a 12V into a newer body. Sheldon There you go, Glider Kits. If they wouldn't have made the HD's so freakin' ugly it would be money in the bank. Plenty of 3G's out there though.......... Mo' Farts Moderated by "tbagger".

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: chrisf] #1679841 09/30/14 06:49 PM 09/30/14 06:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 815 Alexandria, NJ WayneM super stock
WayneM super stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 815 Alexandria, NJ	This is a joke- right? Hey, '07 5.9 was much better than a 6.7 with the DPF and EGR. Why are you having so much trouble? I've had my '04 since new and have nothing but praise for it! Momma just got a new 'rango RT, and while it's fast, there's nothing like the torque of the big C. Fuel consumption? no comparison! I think it's worth it to bite the bullet and fix the truck, put extra fuel filtration, fix the known trouble spots etc. I had a '92 and while that was a great truck and simple, the '04 is leaps and bounds. I hear the current crop is leaps and bounds past the '04, but you can keep the extra emissions and electronics! I did have the special front leafs in the '92, I thought skyjacker made them. That was a huge improvement! 2014 Durango R/T 2004 Dodge Ram 3500 SRW SLT short quad Cummins 6 speed 1998 Dodge Durango SLT 5.2 1971 Plymouth Duster- <<<<<MOPAR SPOKEN HERE>>>>>

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: WayneM] #1679842 09/30/14 08:49 PM 09/30/14 08:49 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada D DPelletier I Live Here
DPelletier I Live Here D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada	I have had many diesel trucks, many Cummins Rams and still have 4. my opinion; - 1) I won't be buying any more new diesels after the issues I've had with the 2006 and 2008. - 2) my '03 305/555 NV5600 is the best truck Dodge ever made. Zero pollution control and zero problems. - 3) Nonetheless, no gas engine compares to a diesel when towing heavy. Due to the aforementioned issues, I'll have to live with the gassers lesser capability or buy mint used '03's from now on! 2 cents, Dave 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: Grizzly] #1679843 09/30/14 08:53 PM 09/30/14 08:53 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 5,951 Greenville, PA redraptor master
redraptor master Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 5,951 Greenville, PA	Quote: I'm looking for a mint V10 but everyone seems to be hanging on to them. I'd trade mine to someone with a dump truck in similar condition from the same era.

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: DPelletier] #1679844 09/30/14 08:58 PM 09/30/14 08:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl. D dusturbd340W5 master
dusturbd340W5 master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl.	I've had a few cummins a 04.5 5.9 2wd auto 05 5.9 g56 6sp 4X4 05 5.9 2wd auto 06 5.9 2wd auto and never had 1 issue with any of them I now have a 2014 6.7 with the Aisin and I would not give it up for any of my old ones. The only way I would go gas is if I never towed anything with any weight to it. 70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: dusturbd340W5] #1679845 09/30/14 11:13 PM 09/30/14 11:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada R RUNCHARGER I Live Here
RUNCHARGER I Live Here R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada	What's your true, no BS fuel mileage with that 14? My buddies 14 hemi halfton is doing better fuel mileage on the highway (empty of course) than my 05 Cummins, oh and diesel is currently 10% more expensive than gas at the pump. I remember the first time I drove my Brother's 90 Cummins 5 speed, it got 30MPG Imperial those days are gone (although they do live on in the imaginations of some). Sheldon

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: RUNCHARGER] #1679846 10/01/14 01:37 AM 10/01/14 01:37 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl. D dusturbd340W5 master
dusturbd340W5 master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl.	Quote: What's your true, no BS fuel mileage with that 14? My buddies 14 hemi halfton is doing better fuel mileage on the highway (empty of course) than my 05 Cummins, oh and diesel is currently 10% more expensive than gas at the pump. I remember the first time I drove my Brother's 90 Cummins 5 speed, it got 30MPG Imperial those days are gone (although they do live on in the imaginations of some). Sheldon true no BS is 10mpg pulling a 14k 5th wheel with cruise set at 70mph 16mpg 50/50 mix city/highway no trailer at an average of 80 on the interstate side I have not done a long enough trip empty for 100% highway yet. and all figures are hand calculated, they are not from the lieometer 70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: dusturbd340W5] #1679847 10/01/14 02:35 AM 10/01/14 02:35 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada R RUNCHARGER I Live Here
RUNCHARGER I Live Here R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada	Thanks. That's near my 05 actually. Sheldon

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: RUNCHARGER] #1679848 10/01/14 11:13 AM 10/01/14 11:13 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl. D dusturbd340W5 master
dusturbd340W5 master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl.	and with the Aisin trans and the 850ft lb of torque its a pullin beast. My only complaint would be that they programed in a little to much torque management. 70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: dusturbd340W5] #1679849 10/01/14 12:43 PM 10/01/14 12:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada R RUNCHARGER I Live Here
RUNCHARGER I Live Here R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada	Can you hold the Aisin in gear or does it kick down and keep the engine buzzed up to 10k like a gasser? Sheldon

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: dusturbd340W5] #1679850 10/01/14 01:46 PM 10/01/14 01:46 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada D DPelletier I Live Here
DPelletier I Live Here D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada	Quote: I've had a few cummins a 04.5 5.9 2wd auto 05 5.9 g56 6sp 4X4 05 5.9 2wd auto 06 5.9 2wd auto and never had 1 issue with any of them I now have a 2014 6.7 with the Aisin and I would not give it up for any of my old ones. The only way I would go gas is if I never towed anything with any weight to it. Glad you've had good luck. My work trucks pull heavy regularly and I keep them until they are no longer functioning. The 6.7 truck has had issues with the regen cycle, DPF, and turbo.....just too much garbage. If you are going to buy a new truck every 3 years; go for it....otherwise they are likely going to cost you a bucket of cash long term IMO. Google P2563 code and also the TIPM. My '03 is stock other than an exhaust (which you can replace legally since it never had any pollution control) and a Smarty programmer. Power is about 400/750 and I can get about 21 mpg under perfect conditions. New is always nice; just bought a brand new Mercedes GLK diesel on the weekend....but it's going to get replaced before the warranty is up. Dave I still say the '03 is by far the best of the bunch. 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: RUNCHARGER] #1679851 10/01/14 10:11 PM 10/01/14 10:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl. D dusturbd340W5 master
dusturbd340W5 master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl.	Quote: Can you hold the Aisin in gear or does it kick down and keep the engine buzzed up to 10k like a gasser? Sheldon It does very well 70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: DPelletier] #1679852 10/01/14 10:21 PM 10/01/14 10:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl. D dusturbd340W5 master
dusturbd340W5 master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl.	Quote: Quote: I've had a few cummins a 04.5 5.9 2wd auto 05 5.9 g56 6sp 4X4 05 5.9 2wd auto 06 5.9 2wd auto and never had 1 issue with any of them I now have a 2014 6.7 with the Aisin and I would not give it up for any of my old ones. The only way I would go gas is if I never towed anything with any weight to it. Glad you've had good luck. My work trucks pull heavy regularly and I keep them until they are no longer functioning. The 6.7 truck has had issues with the regen cycle, DPF, and turbo.....just too much garbage. If you are going to buy a new truck every 3 years; go for it....otherwise they are likely going to cost you a bucket of cash long term IMO. Google P2563 code and also the TIPM. My '03 is stock other than an exhaust (which you can replace legally since it never had any pollution control) and a Smarty programmer. Power is about 400/750 and I can get about 21 mpg under perfect conditions. New is always nice; just bought a brand new Mercedes GLK diesel on the weekend....but it's going to get replaced before the warranty is up. Dave I still say the '03 is by far the best of the bunch. first of all the 2013 up now has DEF and because of that it use the egr system very little compared to a 2012 down there fore they have a lot less regens. the main problem with the turbos are soot however as I mentioned because of the DEF and less ERG being used the problems are a lot less also. I also always use the exhaust brake and that helps a lot. I have a 7 year 100,000 mile bumper to bumper and will trade it as soon as the warranty is up so I have a long time before I have to worry about anything but fuel. 70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: dusturbd340W5] #1679853 10/02/14 11:55 AM 10/02/14 11:55 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,185 aZLiViN J J_BODY I Live Here
J_BODY I Live Here J Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,185 aZLiViN	I've got a few customers at work with 2500 4x4 CTD getting 18-20 mpg highway unloaded (new/def system). The oil change interval is nearly twice what the early 6.7's were (if you go by the minder). Fuel filter cost doubled (two filters now which were needed years ago....same 15k interval pretty much). I've worked on a couple of the new 6.4 2500 4x4's. Noted the average mpg on one was 14.6 and the other 16.2....overall not too bad for a gas truck of this size. Would sure love to know how it pulls.... if we get one in on trade I may have to test that theory with my trailer. I'd honestly consider going this route.

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: J_BODY] #1679854 10/02/14 06:50 PM 10/02/14 06:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl. D dusturbd340W5 master
dusturbd340W5 master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl.	I expect that my 3500 will do 18-20 if it is 100% highway miles. 70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: dusturbd340W5] #1679855 10/03/14 12:14 PM 10/03/14 12:14 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,558 Downtown Roebuck Ont Twostick Still wishing...
Twostick Still wishing... Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,558 Downtown Roebuck Ont	Quote: Quote: What's your true, no BS fuel mileage with that 14? My buddies 14 hemi halfton is doing better fuel mileage on the highway (empty of course) than my 05 Cummins, oh and diesel is currently 10% more expensive than gas at the pump. I remember the first time I drove my Brother's 90 Cummins 5 speed, it got 30MPG Imperial those days are gone (although they do live on in the imaginations of some). Sheldon true no BS is 10mpg pulling a 14k 5th wheel with cruise set at 70mph 16mpg 50/50 mix city/highway no trailer at an average of 80 on the interstate side I have not done a long enough trip empty for 100% highway yet. and all figures are hand calculated, they are not from the lieometer Just how much mileage do you expect at 80 MPH? Kevin

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: Twostick] #1679856 10/03/14 09:24 PM 10/03/14 09:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl. D dusturbd340W5 master
dusturbd340W5 master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl.	Quote: Quote: Quote: What's your true, no BS fuel mileage with that 14? My buddies 14 hemi halfton is doing better fuel mileage on the highway (empty of course) than my 05 Cummins, oh and diesel is currently 10% more expensive than gas at the pump. I remember the first time I drove my Brother's 90 Cummins 5 speed, it got 30MPG Imperial those days are gone (although they do live on in the imaginations of some). Sheldon true no BS is 10mpg pulling a 14k 5th wheel with cruise set at 70mph 16mpg 50/50 mix city/highway no trailer at an average of 80 on the interstate side I have not done a long enough trip empty for 100% highway yet. and all figures are hand calculated, they are not from the lieometer Just how much mileage do you expect at 80 MPH? Kevin I never said anything about it one way or another I just stated what it was getting and I am sure if it was 100% interstate driving it would be a little better. and yes the slower you drive the better it would be to a point. 70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: dusturbd340W5] #1679857 10/05/14 12:35 AM 10/05/14 12:35 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,511 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy Rhinodart Rhinotruck
Rhinodart Rhinotruck Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,511 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy	I ran my 04 3500 single wheel 4x4 auto 100 miles at 75, 65, and 55 MPH empty not towing anything. It also have 4.10 gears. At 75 I got 16.3, 65 was 18.2, and 55 was 21.5 by the overhead. Of course a true test would be to try each MPH running through a full tank and hand calculate the MPG. I too am interested in the capability of the new 6.4 as I am tired of going through transmissions and injectors. The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it. JB Rhinehart, Realist A-Body's RULE!

Re: Cummins vs hemi [Re: RUNCHARGER] #1679858 10/07/14 02:39 PM 10/07/14 02:39 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,198 Someplace you aren't S SomeCarGuy I Live Here
SomeCarGuy I Live Here S Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,198 Someplace you aren't	Quote: What's your true, no BS fuel mileage with that 14? My buddies 14 hemi halfton is doing better fuel mileage on the highway (empty of course) than my 05 Cummins, oh and diesel is currently 10% more expensive than gas at the pump. I remember the first time I drove my Brother's 90 Cummins 5 speed, it got 30MPG Imperial those days are gone (although they do live on in the imaginations of some). Sheldon The first gens were very simple and got great MPGs. If they weren't so old to be restoration candidates they would still be great trucks. Older vehicles just seem to have myriad issues due to age, harder all the time to use as a DD. I have other work to do than to play mechanic every few days on my DD. I want my fair share

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