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09/24/14 08:30 PM
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how much horsepower or improvement in ET have you guys seen switching from the conventional collector to a merge collector

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Re: merge collectors [Re: WHITEDART] #1676608
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how much horsepower or improvement in ET have you guys seen witching from the conventional collector to a merge collector




This might be a hard question to answer.. a TRUE merge
collector HAS to be designed for a certain engine..
but from the little bit I know about merge collectors
that COULD be as high as 25-30 hp.. again.. if designed
for that engine.. the diameter on the inlet, taper
rate and max diameter then the taper rate down to
exit diameter... its much like a 2 cycle expansion
camber... do it wrong and you move the power range
way down or way out of the rpm range... I played with
them on the dyno and finally gave up with what I was
playing with... so to just buy a merge collector off
the shelf is wasting your time and money... JMO

Re: merge collectors [Re: WHITEDART] #1676609
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This is usually a hot topic over on Speedtalk. There are a few guys over there who have a lot of experience building merge setups for NASCAR engines. What they'll tell you is that if you make the necessary changes to the engine then the merge setup will pick up substantial power. But the changes they are talking about are using a smaller exhaust valve and changing cam timing. So it gets more involved than anything I've ever messed with.

Re: merge collectors [Re: AndyF] #1676610
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As Andy stated, you cant just throw them on and expect large gains. It takes a ton of time trying things to see what works for your engine. A properly designed conventional collector will get you close. That last little bit with adding merge collectors will cost you a lot of time.
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Re: merge collectors [Re: AndyF] #1676611
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Give Mark Lelchook a call he will give you the no BS answer. Plus he is a Mopar guy

http://perfweldheaders.com/


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Re: merge collectors [Re: WHITEDART] #1676612
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how much horsepower or improvement in ET have you guys seen switching from the conventional collector to a merge collector




Greg built my headers with a merge set up. for the cost of a regular collector you can bet we'll be playing with it...... someday. I seem to find alot of other things to do other than work on the car.

Re: merge collectors [Re: AndyF] #1676613
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There is a lengthy thread on SpeedTalk.com now that was started by past EMC winner Joe Sherman. My take-away from it is you need to design the header up front for use with a merge collector (e.g., shorter primary length than with standard collector), rather than trying to convert a different header to use a merge collector.

Re: merge collectors [Re: BradH] #1676614
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We swapped out some home built, crappy mild steel 2 1/4 with 4 inch collector for some custom, $2500, Stainless, 2 1/4 equal(ish) length with 4 inch merge collectors. Et's and MPH never changed a bit but they sure looked a lot better


'74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials.
9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge.
RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03
Re: merge collectors [Re: Al_Alguire] #1676615
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Give Mark Lelchook a call he will give you the no BS answer. Plus he is a Mopar guy

http://perfweldheaders.com/




Pure art and worth some HP. Not cheap though.

Re: merge collectors [Re: Tig] #1676616
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We swapped out some home built, crappy mild steel 2 1/4 with 4 inch collector for some custom, $2500, Stainless, 2 1/4 equal(ish) length with 4 inch merge collectors. Et's and MPH never changed a bit but they sure looked a lot better




Thats the time about headers and the merge collectors..
it has to be matched to the engine and the rpm that
it will be at MOST of the time... I did header work at
Chrysler for about 15 years and near the end I was
playing with merge collectors... but the merge coll
wants to be in a certain rpm range most of the time..
thats why the pro stocks use them.. they dont vary
a ton in rpm like a lot of other engines... I put
about 40 hours into merge collectors on the dyno to
come up with a formula but I never really got there







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