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V. Gaines Crashes and Walks Away
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http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=291263#indextopPro Stock racer V.Gaines was uninjured in a high-speed racing incident during the first round of eliminations. Gaines' Dodge Dart went out of control and crashed near the finish line. Gaines, who exited the car under his own power, was examined and released at the scene by NHRA emergency services officials. "It happened so fast, I was unable to catch it," Gaines said. "I'm justy sick that we ruined a very good race car. We'll come back and rebound." Around 3 p.m., about an hour into the cleanup and investigation following V. Gaines' accident, rain began falling. The rest of today's racing has been postponed.
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Both Crossed Centerline ...so who won?..
V. got the speed trap cone...
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V's window net was missing when he got stopped.
Curious what was smoldering on the roof of V's car when it got stopped and what the air raid siren in the background was about.
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Completion of eliminations of the NHRA Carolina Nationals will take place during next weekend's 29th annual AAA Texas NHRA FallNationals near Dallas.
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Looks like the track was covered in Zmax.
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V. Gaines will be allowed to use a replacement car for the continuation of eliminations.
Probably dragging the old Avenger out of storage ...
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Re: V. Gaines Crashes and Walks Away
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It really sucks that they wont start pro stock all over again... all the pro stocks were skating around.. and when listening to Pruet talking about not having funds at this time to head out there that sucks for her team.. but she said they arent done YET 
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Didn't Shane Gray roll his car in the same lane and same place there a couple years ago? I agree they need to resurface that track.
If it truly is toooo smooth to have the rubber adhere
to it then grinding the surface would work
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Track is notorious as being poorly prepped for 'wingless' high powered door cars (Ask Hemi Fred or Bob Reed....and that was what? Several years back? It's going to be interesting...Friday there was easily LESS than Half of the normal crowd there, in fact if you took all the people on each side and made them sit next to eachother there wouldn't have been enough butts to fill 3 sections of bleachers (Ex: Sections A though C). To me (and a lot of people) If you take the 'under the lights' night session away from a Friday, you kill much (if not most) of the incentive to even go... That being the case, I'm willing to bet that Mr. Bruton is not going to dump a bunch more $$$ into resurfacing...not with all the problems he's already having filling NASCRAP seats...  I predict Speedway MotorSports (Bruton's company) will be looking (if not already in the works....which knowing Bruton it is) to divest themselves of the NHRA fairly quick, not enough players with deep enough pockets to refill the hole that's going to make. Track seems great for either sub 6 second cars with wings or slower bracket cars, as for Pro Stock....maybe they need some type of Z axis yaw sensor that limits/kills power once they start skating above say 100 mph, no downforce of course also means your brakes aren't going to do very much for you...easy fix and the technology is already there...but of course that also means it could be manipulated to work as a traction control device. As you can see (evident how the cars can invert and stay more-or-less on path) that a Pro Stock car is about as aerodynamic upside down as it is right side up....just like a bullet. So the tires aren't doing much gripping for the brakes to do very much on the big end without the chute deployed.
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Some were saying they only prep to 1000 ft. for the TF classes. If they prep past that the fuelers chunk the tires. If that's the case and they have 4 lanes, why not prep 2 for PS and Bike classes and the other 2 for the Fuelers?! 
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All this talk of wings wouldn't have helped AJ. he went loose before the 330. Track sux. Fix it.
EXACTLY!!!
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All this talk of wings wouldn't have helped AJ. he went loose before the 330. Track sux. Fix it.
Jason Line went 6.53 at 210 that round..........there is a such thing as proper setup for the track conditions
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If they did mandate a (as a number) a 1" wicker bill
to ALL the pro stocks it could correct this issue
YEP............This has been an ongoing thing for years. The PS guys continually run their stuff on the ragged edge as far as downforce and when the track is not as good as THEY think it should be, it's junk. You know, if I was in the lanes and saw a couple cars getting loose at the top, I think I might raise the wickerbill a little......but that's just me
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I ran at Zmax a few years back, all passes were in Lane 2 and it is the smoothest track I have personally been down. But rubber adhesion and water seepage are 2 issues I've been told are issues at this track, that said NC is an area of the country where we have fairly extreme temperature and humidity changes. particularly in the late winter, I've seen 50 degree swings back and forth and back again within one week (Low 30's to low 80 and back to the 30's) over the course of 3 weeks spans as recently as last March.
Cars ran pretty well at the 4 wide back in April....Wonder if this is not mostly track prep. The track pretty much sits dormant between events, they need to run more T&T's during the year but they won't because of the High Overheads of opening a 4 lane track....Someone told me it cost's $6000 per hour to staff and light the track for a T&T, so without sponsor subsidies it's just not going to happen.
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Zmax is a National Event track, plain and simple. The weekly, or whenever else they run prep is irrelevant, because it simply doesn't matter to them. That track doesn't NEED to be open and racing to support itself. Bruton sure doesn't need the money. Even if they DID run on a weekly basis, NHRA comes in and completely scrapes a track to bare surface and re-preps for a national event anyway. The "traction twins" told me once that was the nicest surface they had ever prepped Monte
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There are just to many Tracks that are making plenty of $$$ that will not put out any $$$ to have the track surface fixed.
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Monday morning quarterbacks are just great, funny I don't think anybody had any trouble getting down the track at the last race, they must of changed there wing angle between races. Some people think they are smarter than the crews running these cars, what a joke. NHRA made a rule change in 2010, set min weight on rear of car, a little taller wicker height and small chin spoiler.
Well being that you chose me as your target... why
did others going down the track right before him say
that the track was unsave... your the pro.. do tell
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So Mr [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean], you must have been there to give you opinion of the race surface being the expert you are with your 42,000 useless posts. 
No I wasnt.. but if you would have watched it and
LISTENED to the prior people that went down the track
even you might have learned something.. as of my
42,000 useless post at least I dont show up and BRAG
about the only dyno pull that made decent power..
then not show up again for ages ..... but then again
your the PRO know it all... so you have to be right...
sorry I even disputed you
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Yes I knew the track was a problem most likely due to weather conditions, to bad about V Gains, Glad he is ok, there is still a lot of good stuff on this site, just not your stuff. Very busy and not enough time to post a lot, we use Facebook for our builds and dyno tests, it is faster with todays phones.
I sure dont know what you have against me but I could
care less... because I dont care for you either..
I'm gonna drop it at that
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There is a SIMPLE fix to the Pro-Stockers "skating" around......Put some damn WING in the car. It is just so much easier to blame the track than to put enough wing in it to NOT be on the ragged edge of crashing because it might slow you down a hundredth. If a 10,000hp fueler can stay stuck, the track AIN'T THAT BAD.
Always the Pro-Stock guys complaining about track prep because they REFUSE to put wing in the cars
Monte
Monte,when you put that 1100 hp engine in your car even with out the NOS then you will understand after you make a few pass's! 
Not sure what that means.....but OK. I have been faster in the 1/4 in a door car than current pro-stocks are by a bunch. And I know how much difference "just a little" wing can make from something being literally undriveable to going right down. Prep and conditions will NOT be the same from track to track, nor event to event at same track. So thinking that you may not have to change something on the car.........well that makes no sense.
Now if water was coming up, that is a totally different deal. My comments were based on the cries of "that track is junk and should be dug up"..........really? This is a multi million dollar facility. Do you really think if there was a problem with the surface that NHRA thought needed addressing, that Bruton wouldn't fix it......cmon.
As far as the Pro-Stock guys talking about the surface being bad.......they do it ALL the time at various tracks when it doesn't have as much top end grip as they would like. It's nothing new.
Monte
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Monte did you watch the race on TV? The track was lifting up and even the top fuel guys were afraid to race on it. The concrete was lifting up "big-time" and in the interview they commented on it cutting a slick and taking the wing out. I was racing over the weekend so I didn't watch it till last night. That track NEEDS FIXED. 
Once again....EXACTLY! They were holding pieces of the track in their "hand" talking about how dangerous it would be for the fuel cars if they were to get a piece of the track and cut down a tire...... It was there on TV for God and everyone to hear and see.......
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I have been faster in the 1/4 in a door car than current pro-stocks are by a bunch.
Monte
Monte, If you did go faster than a current prostock car, my guess would be a promod. So then we have no clutchless 5 speed, no rear weight rule, no wing/body rule, and no tire rule.
Given the current pro mods they have wings the size of billboards, weight wherever they need it and a minumum of a 34.5 tire. So whatever car you drove cannot compare to a current prostock.
I have heard the problem with the track is the concrete is cracking off in pieces from the mix being wrong. This is not the first time this has happened. but what do i know
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Most Pro-Mods are VERY similar aero wise to Pro-Stocks, especially the nitrous cars. Same basic body in many cases, same chassis albeit stiffer and the same wing. If it's loose, you add wing or wickerbill. It ain't rocket science. One of the last cars I drove WAS in fact an ex IHRA pro-stock car with a big nitrous motor. I have driven Top Sportsman cars that are as fast or faster than Pro-Stocks and most of them ARE ex Pro-Stock rides, so "billboard" wings don't apply here. The point is, most of the time the car can be as stable or unstable as you care to make it, with the amount of downforce you choose to apply to the wing.
The problem exists because of trying to prep a track for two radically different types of cars and what they need. The Pro-Stock guys want lots of grip on the top end and the fuel guys don't because they chunk tires if the track is too good at the top. This has been an ongoing battle for years with NHRA. GOOD for fuel is bad for Pro-Stock and vice versa, so the answer has always been somewhere in between. Now does the NHRA prep crew ALWAYS get it just right, of course not. But if it is not just right, the answer is not always the "track is junk". Sometimes you have to race the track and what it presents, not what you think it "should be".
Now like I have said repeatedly, IF WATER WAS COMING UP, that is an entirely different discussion. You can't fix that in the moment.
As to the concrete coming up...........that is nothing new. Not sure I have ever been on an all concrete track that did not have chunks missing here and there. That is just the way it is. Now if the fuel cars were pulling up chunks, that is not great, but again does not mean the track is junk or needs dug up and resurfaced. Two of the fastest tracks the Pro-Stocks run on in testing are SGMP and Bradenton. Both have numerous and BIG chunks of surface missing. It is just something you have deal with on an "all concrete" track. But those tracks always have a VERY TIGHT prep for testing and the cars fly...........the fuel guys would HATE that type prep.
Just a few weeks ago there was an instance when big chunks of concrete were coming up at a NASCAR track. It just happens on those surfaces from time to time. Sometimes you patch it, sometimes you just seal it and go, sometimes you do nothing but sweep the loose off. I don't recall anybody calling for that track to be "dug up" and redone. It is just something that generally has to be dealt with
It is the same thing we as small tire radial racers deal with. A track GOOD for us, is TOO GOOD for slick tire cars and the perfect slicks track is hard for us to get down. I know you are familiar with this. So if both type cars are present, it is always a compromise, same as NHRA has to deal with on a weekly basis.
Most people can't comprehend the fact that a track can be "TOO GOOD" for a certain type car, but it is a VERY real thing.
One more time, if water was coming up at Zmax, this is all a moot discussion, as you can't fix that when it is happening
Monte
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That one has to come up to get fixed. Lots of $$$$$ and that is why it is still not fixed. This track will need taken off the schedule for a season to get done right and that is why its still not right I would imagine.
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