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Starting a 440 car after sitting 19 years. ADVICE. #1653358 07/31/14 02:00 AM 07/31/14 02:00 AM
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yorker OP Drugs are bad Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,937 Walmart parking lot	This car has been in storage and not started for 19 years. I guess it would not hurt to pull the plugs and put some type of oil in the cyclinders and let it sit awhile. I did do that once with a car that had sat 17 years. I had another car that sat 17 years and did not oil the cyclinders. I just read a post in the general forum where someone bought a late 70's Monaco wagon that sat 20 years, but do not know if he oild the cyclinders. What is your general advice? Do it to be safe, or just drop in a batters, check the fluids and run fuel from a container. I am pretty sure the tank is dry but mucked up by the smell. To oil or not to oil, any bad experanices? Thanks in advance. ( SHONEN KNIFE ) MAKING THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE. ONE SONG, ONE CONCERT AT A TIME FOR OVER 36 YEARS!! https://www.youtube.com/user/SHONENKNIFETV

Re: Starting a 440 car after sitting 19 years. ADVICE. [Re: yorker] #1653359 07/31/14 02:15 AM 07/31/14 02:15 AM
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Sport440 master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,591 Canton, Ohio	Id definately spray the cylinders with a lubricant. The Fuel is toast in both the gas tank and the carb. For the carb maybe the fuel evaporated out before it gummed things up. But , expect problems there. Id remove it and give it a good carb cleaning go through. The fuel pump diaphragms may be shot also or will be shortly after a few cycles. Number one IMO, at least spray the cylinders with a lubricant and rotate it a few times and let it soak in before trying to start.

Re: Starting a 440 car after sitting 19 years. ADVICE. [Re: yorker] #1653360 07/31/14 02:20 AM 07/31/14 02:20 AM
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wesgtx440 enthusiast Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 290 Dayton, WA	What I would do is pull the plugs and distributor and make sure the oil pump pumps oil, wait for it to pump oil ( you will know as the drill will bog down)then rotate the engine over slowly by hand to get all the bearings lubricated. Reassemble everything and see if she will start. You can get an oil pump priming shaft from summit or build your own if you have an old distributor drive laying around. Remember the pump works ccw.

Re: Starting a 440 car after sitting 19 years. ADVICE. [Re: wesgtx440] #1653361 07/31/14 09:46 AM 07/31/14 09:46 AM
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floridian pro stock F Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,574 Lakeland FL	Check the oil, if it looks OK, pull the coil wire and crank it till oil pressure light goes out.. splash some fuel in the carb and hook coil wire back up and start it.. After it warms up good change the oil and then start the repairs.. Probably bad fuel in tank, so you might unhook the fuel line and run a line into a gas can with fresh fuel...

Re: Starting a 440 car after sitting 19 years. ADVICE. [Re: floridian] #1653362 07/31/14 10:49 AM 07/31/14 10:49 AM
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RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	Change oil/filter. fog the cyls. bump dist rotor to #8 plug wire. pull dist/intergear & preoil CCW with the 5/16" hex rod. bump eng 3/4 turn CW further till dampener slit is at TDC. Preoil some more. Open carb & see what you see. hook gas can to pump inlet to avoid tank contamination issues. live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Starting a 440 car after sitting 19 years. ADVICE. [Re: yorker] #1653363 07/31/14 10:52 AM 07/31/14 10:52 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	remove plugs soak w/ spray lube, change oil, let it sit. Spray some more. Turn over by hand a few times...sprat a little more, turn over. Remove distrib and re-prime the motor, remove fuel line and spray carb cleaner thur it, blow it out all the way to tank, replace fuel filter, drain all gas from tank, (you could just use a gas can if you just want to fire it) spray down carb (be best to remove it and go thru it), put the distrib back in, plugs, wires and fire it up. Watch for mice running out the tail pipes. [IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/pui5j.jpg[/IMG] Coming soon!!!!

Re: Starting a 440 car after sitting 19 years. ADVICE. [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1653364 07/31/14 11:12 AM 07/31/14 11:12 AM
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GTX MATT master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,159 CT	Oil in the cylinders, fresh oil and filter, fresh plugs, rotor, cap, and points if it has points. Fresh gas. Prime the oil pump and fire it up. Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street

Re: Starting a 440 car after sitting 19 years. ADVICE. [Re: GTX MATT] #1653365 07/31/14 12:09 PM 07/31/14 12:09 PM
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Pynzo Drugs are bad Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,386 Philadelphia PA	Quote: Oil in the cylinders, fresh oil and filter, fresh plugs, rotor, cap, and points if it has points. Fresh gas. Prime the oil pump and fire it up. And check the timing chain for slack- with distributor cap off grip both sides of fan belt above crank pulley and rotate in oposite direction of crank rotation while watching for rotor movement. The OEM cam timing gear may still be in there and will fall apart, nylon teeth on aluminum hub.

Re: Starting a 440 car after sitting 19 years. ADVICE. [Re: Pynzo] #1653366 07/31/14 02:15 PM 07/31/14 02:15 PM
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floridian pro stock F Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,574 Lakeland FL	If the oil is OK, I mean not full of water or gas, I do not like changing it or the filter due to "losing" the prime.. A new filter could give you ZERO oil pressure for a fairly long time, especially if you get a air lock in it... JUst my opinion.. BAD fuel is gonna be your biggest headache on first start.. If you just want to see if it starts why change out all the points, plugs etc?? YES do this eventually but not at first.. IF it doesn't start THEN start to diagnose....

Re: Starting a 440 car after sitting 19 years. ADVICE. [Re: floridian] #1653367 07/31/14 04:49 PM 07/31/14 04:49 PM
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Paul_Fancsali master P Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,931	Reground the block and do not change oil filter it will start bone dry even if you partially fill it Use a can of gas if mech pump the inside is now trash but use it if it pumps PUMP ATF into clyinders with oil can let sit overnight then after installing plugs give it a shot. Mine started after sitting 13 years and would only run on its own after about 20 minutes of holding it at 2K By the way if it is elec ignition car reground control box

Re: Starting a 440 car after sitting 19 years. ADVICE. [Re: floridian] #1653368 07/31/14 05:52 PM 07/31/14 05:52 PM
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GTX MATT master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,159 CT	Quote: If you just want to see if it starts why change out all the points, plugs etc?? YES do this eventually but not at first.. IF it doesn't start THEN start to diagnose.... Why make it hard when it can be easy? They need to be changed anyway, unless you think the plugs and points are good after sitting for 19 years. Why start it to hear it run like sh1t? Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street

Re: Starting a 440 car after sitting 19 years. ADVICE. [Re: Pynzo] #1653369 07/31/14 06:40 PM 07/31/14 06:40 PM
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RoadRunner master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,137 East Aurora (Buffalo) NY	5/16" hex rod, about 2' long and good 1/2 drive electric drill to prime. You pull distributor out (leave wires connected, just push cap off to the side. I put a mark on the distributor housing and block to get it in right. Pull the oil pump drive gear. Make sure you note the position of the slot so the distributor tang will line up. Runn drill CCW adn pump should catch prime. I'd check oil. If it looks like it has water or gas in it, change it out with new filter before priming. You can rotate crank by hand (make sure you mark position so it lines up with oil pump gear). This will get oil through the passages in the crank and cam and up to the top end. 68 Road Runner (383/4speed, post car w/decor pkg) - Major Project 69 Road Runner w/472 Hemi & 4 speed. 70 Challenger R/T SE EF8 w/ V9J, U - A32 - Major Project 2023 Ford Mach 1

Re: Starting a 440 car after sitting 19 years. ADVICE. [Re: RoadRunner] #1653370 08/01/14 01:17 AM 08/01/14 01:17 AM
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yorker OP Drugs are bad Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,937 Walmart parking lot	Thanks for all the suggestions. Will post is the general section of the outcome when done. 8226417-041.JPG (76 downloads) ( SHONEN KNIFE ) MAKING THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE. ONE SONG, ONE CONCERT AT A TIME FOR OVER 36 YEARS!! https://www.youtube.com/user/SHONENKNIFETV

Re: Starting a 440 car after sitting 19 years. ADVICE. [Re: RoadRunner] #1653371 08/01/14 03:18 AM 08/01/14 03:18 AM
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Triggerfish top fuel T Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,954 Blairsden, CA	Quote: 5/16" hex rod, about 2' long and good 1/2 drive electric drill to prime. You pull distributor out (leave wires connected, just push cap off to the side. I put a mark on the distributor housing and block to get it in right. Pull the oil pump drive gear. Make sure you note the position of the slot so the distributor tang will line up. Runn drill CCW adn pump should catch prime. I'd check oil. If it looks like it has water or gas in it, change it out with new filter before priming. You can rotate crank by hand (make sure you mark position so it lines up with oil pump gear). This will get oil through the passages in the crank and cam and up to the top end. Yep.. this is exactly what I did with my 383 Mag that'd been on a stand for almost 8 yrs before it went into my Sweptline. I pulled the plugs, injected some Marvel Mystery oil & let it sit overnite, then we changed the oil, filter & primed with a drill. Fired right up.

Re: Starting a 440 car after sitting 19 years. ADVICE. [Re: GTX MATT] #1653372 08/01/14 12:25 PM 08/01/14 12:25 PM
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floridian pro stock F Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,574 Lakeland FL	Quote: Quote: If you just want to see if it starts why change out all the points, plugs etc?? YES do this eventually but not at first.. IF it doesn't start THEN start to diagnose.... Why make it hard when it can be easy? They need to be changed anyway, unless you think the plugs and points are good after sitting for 19 years. Why start it to hear it run like sh1t? Because my thought is if you PUll the dist., install new points, cond, etc, if you mess up ( your out of time for one) and the car doesn't start you have MORE things to do.. If the car starts you know its OK and then you can do a tune up and oil change.. Do I think the car needs this? ABSOLUTELY, but the question as I read it asks " starting it to see if it runs", not starting it and driving it 500 miles..... Simple is better in this instance

Re: Starting a 440 car after sitting 19 years. ADVICE. [Re: floridian] #1653373 08/01/14 12:53 PM 08/01/14 12:53 PM
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GTX MATT master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,159 CT	Quote: Quote: Quote: If you just want to see if it starts why change out all the points, plugs etc?? YES do this eventually but not at first.. IF it doesn't start THEN start to diagnose.... Why make it hard when it can be easy? They need to be changed anyway, unless you think the plugs and points are good after sitting for 19 years. Why start it to hear it run like sh1t? Because my thought is if you PUll the dist., install new points, cond, etc, if you mess up ( your out of time for one) and the car doesn't start you have MORE things to do.. If the car starts you know its OK and then you can do a tune up and oil change.. Do I think the car needs this? ABSOLUTELY, but the question as I read it asks " starting it to see if it runs", not starting it and driving it 500 miles..... Simple is better in this instance Sure you can open up room for error, so I understand that. In the past I've just put the engine at TDC, marked the location of the dizzy against the block and direction of the rotor, and make sure the oil pump drive is slotted parallel with the crank before I took it out and after I put it back in. I'd at least change plugs first, they can get pretty nasty/corroded sitting for that length of time. But to each their own Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street

Re: Starting a 440 car after sitting 19 years. ADVICE. [Re: GTX MATT] #1653374 08/01/14 10:02 PM 08/01/14 10:02 PM
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feets Senior Management Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,067 Irving, TX	Lubricating the cylinders with a thin oil or penetrant comes first. That way it can soak while you're doing other stuff. If you're not going to open up the carb at least pull it off and attack it with brake clean. You can squirt that stuff through all the tiny passages and clean out the varnish. If you can trust the fuel tank, empty it out and dump in a fresh batch of good stuff. Fresh oil is a cheap insurance policy. I don't turn the engine until after I get oil pressure. After it holds pressure I'll turn the engine by hand. Lining up TDC is easy with the plugs out. By that time you should be able to roll it with the starter without fear. Once I know it will hold oil pressure and everything turns freely I'll drop the plugs back in and go for start. The Imperial sat for ages but it runs fine and doesn't smoke. We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind. - Stu Harmon

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