340 not what I thought it would be... UPDATE!!!!
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07/05/14 09:37 PM
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Telvis
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I may be expecting too much from my 340. It isn't slow but still just doesn't seem as strong as I thought it would be. I have tuned and re-tuned down to about as good as I think I am able.
Here's what I have:
1969 340 block, bored .030 Speedpro Forged pistons Scat rods Scat crank, everything internally balanced. Lunati Voodoo 60402 cam Edelbrock 60179 heads with ductile adjustable rockers Edelbrock RPM performer intake Holley 750 vac. secondary MP billet mech advance distributor, curved at 22 initial 38 all in. Doug's Headers with 2 1/2 dual x pipe exhaust. 904 transmission with low low gear set and Cheetah auto / manual valve body and Hughes 2500 rpm stall TC. 3:23 Sure Grip rear 255-60-15 tires in the rear.
The car will get up and go but it doesn't roast the tires like I thought it would. Matter of fact I can't get much of a burnout using the brake. Again, maybe I am expecting too much out the 340. I guess i had my hopes up for more. I'm a bit disappointed.
Am I expecting too much? Have I done something wrong with this build?
Last edited by Telvis; 07/20/14 02:17 PM.
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Re: 340 not what I thought it would be...Any ideas?
[Re: ademon]
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07/05/14 11:10 PM
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RapidRobert
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As said: what cranking compression. what vehicle. 38 deg at what RPM. Degree the cam (& timing chain error). EDIT I ain't a cam guy & that cam MAY be too much
Last edited by RapidRobert; 07/05/14 11:13 PM.
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Re: 340 not what I thought it would be...Any ideas?
[Re: Telvis]
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07/05/14 11:14 PM
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DaveRS23
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Before you give up on the engine, try some more gear and some more converter.
3.91s and a 3,000+ stall converter and watch the smoke roll.
Master, again and still
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Re: 340 not what I thought it would be...Any ideas?
[Re: moparfan53]
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07/05/14 11:57 PM
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It's at 73 challenger. The pistons do come above block deck the standard height for a 69 340. I don't recall the exact numbers. I built the motor and lined the timing marks up for the timing chain. They were perfectly aligned. I'm not knowledgeable as far as degreeing a cam goes. I have built 4 motors and installed at least another 4 or 5 timing chains. I have always aligned the marks Not sure how to check if the secondaries are opening. I installed a Street Avenger because I don't have a lot of expertise tuning carbs. I have rebuilt a few but I am by no means a tuner.
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Re: 340 not what I thought it would be...Any ideas?
[Re: Telvis]
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07/06/14 12:07 AM
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First thing I'd do is get the cranking compression number. That'd give you a good overview on how stout the long block is (+ maybe a leakdown check later). I've heard good things (on here) for that carb
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Re: 340 not what I thought it would be...Any ideas?
[Re: RapidRobert]
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07/06/14 12:15 AM
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Put a 3500 stall in it and you will be impressed. 2500 stall is not near enough.
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Re: 340 not what I thought it would be...Any ideas?
[Re: Telvis]
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07/06/14 12:59 AM
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OCD and didn't degree the cam? I'm not familiar with that cam as far as duration @ .050, LSA etc but just lining up the dots on the gear set is a crap shoot at best with any aftermarket cam. If it is off even a few degrees especially if it is retarded, it can make a huge difference depending on the rest of the combo. Kevin
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Re: 340 not what I thought it would be...Any ideas?
[Re: Telvis]
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07/06/14 01:02 AM
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Quote:
I don't think there's a problem with the motor itself. I will check the compression but I think it's likely a gear, torque converter or tuning issue. The motor is very strong. I guess I just expected too much. I had a 2007 SRT charger and eventually felt it wasn't enough power if that gives some insight. I think my expectations might be too high. I want to be able to roast the tires at will and still have good highway manners. I'm a bit OCD....
Did you expect this 340 motor in your 73 Challenger with 3.23 gear to be faster than that 2007 SRT Charger?
A 2007 SRT Charger is not a slouch. I belive that is a 0-60 in just under 5 seconds and low 13's 1/4 mile car. I don't believe your combo is going to get that.
IMHO, stoker are great for drivablility with power/tq. I wonder how many stock stroke Scat rotating assemblies they sell.
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Re: 340 not what I thought it would be...Any ideas?
[Re: Twostick]
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07/06/14 01:07 AM
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OCD and didn't degree the cam?
I'm not familiar with that cam as far as duration @ .050, LSA etc but just lining up the dots on the gear set is a crap shoot at best with any aftermarket cam. If it is off even a few degrees especially if it is retarded, it can make a huge difference depending on the rest of the combo.
Kevin
This is the cam.
•Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 262/268 •Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 220/226 •Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .475/.494 •LSA/ICL: 112/108 •Valve Lash (Int/Exh): Hyd/Hyd •RPM Range: 1400-5800
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Re: 340 not what I thought it would be...Any ideas?
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07/06/14 01:42 AM
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Does it have good throttle response? Are the secondaries opening on the carb?
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Re: 340 not what I thought it would be...Any ideas?
[Re: Twostick]
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07/06/14 01:53 AM
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Telvis
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I'm learning as I go here. I have never done anything more than align the marks to install a timing chain. I guess I must have screwed up because I never learned to properly degree a cam....Like I said...Still learning.
By no stretch do I expect the current 340 to equal my SRT. For all I know this motor may be great and I am just expecting too much. I am trying but I seem to be well behind the curve of most here on this site. I obviously have a lot more to learn. It's great to have such a wealth of experience and knowledge to fall back on for advice.
I am 49 years old, have worked on cars most of my life and I am constantly amazed at the knowledge and expertise of others on this site. It is humbling. I do body, paint, motor, suspension, interior and recently learned to build a transmission. I am still amazed at how much I don't know. This is a great resource and I appreciate all of the advice and help.
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