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modern tech analysis 1965 426 Hemi #1634349
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my apologies if this has been posted before

http://www.auto-scape.com/?p=305

this a very technical report that uses many modern engineering terms, but is worth struggling through and studying the many graphs that compare the 426 to more modern engine designs like the 5.7 Hemi

Re: modern tech analysis 1965 426 Hemi [Re: 360view] #1634350
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Very cool. I wonder what exactly 'laboratory exhaust' means? Just the exhaust pipes or were they bolting headers on as well?

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Can someone please provide a summary?


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Re: modern tech analysis 1965 426 Hemi [Re: Hemi_Joel] #1634352
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It’s obvious that Chrysler engineers in the 1960s knew what they were doing and , as indicated, this wasn’t necessarily the case with their period peers.




Its not as efficient as some modern engines but the legend lives on. The ports flow well and have good filling capacity for the engine, they're pretty efficient, combustion efficiency isn't up to snuff with some modern engines but likely wasn't a concern at the time, the cam has slow ramps. They took a venture into analyzing the ports from a standpoint other than the flow rate at 28" of water, and tried to look at it from more practical standpoints of their capacity to fill the engine, which is good.

It seems that they didn't offer a true conclusion though?

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Re: modern tech analysis 1965 426 Hemi [Re: GTX MATT] #1634353
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I was more intrigued by the comparison between the 906 and LS-1 heads.

Looks like Ma Mopar knew quite a lot back then.


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Can someone please provide a summary?





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Re: modern tech analysis 1965 426 Hemi [Re: 360view] #1634355
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there is a reason im not an engineer....
the old girl comes off pretty well considering it took what, 3 or 4 months of development to get it to Daytona? all in all, not too shabby for a 50 year old design vs the new stuff.


It may be ugly, but it sure is slow.

Girls comb their hair in rear view mirrors and the boys try to look so hard....
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It actually compliments the design of the 906 head as well.

I'm not ashamed to admit 95% of it was over my head.

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I haven't read the entire article, but the first statistic they state is wrong, Mopar did NOT finish 1, 2,3, & 4 at the 1964 Daytona 500.


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Thanks for posting the link & even though its a technical read, it shows
ma mopar & the Hemi boys knew what they were doing. What I thought was really informative was how the Gen 3 dual plug design helps offset any deficiency in its swirl characteristics. Modern roller cam ramp design, dual plugs & 2.2 rod journal stroker kits makes the Elephant King Kong again...

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It actually compliments the design of the 906 head as well.

I'm not ashamed to admit 95% of it was over my head.




if you understood that much you did better than I did!


It may be ugly, but it sure is slow.

Girls comb their hair in rear view mirrors and the boys try to look so hard....
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At least 50% of it was over my head.

Since they are still alive
but at advanced ages,
it would be great to somehow get
Wlllem Weertman and Bob Hoover
to read that analysis
and add their comments.

The parts on
tumble/swirl in the ports and
friction loss FMEP
were of great interest to me
as you seldom get solid numbers on that kind of stuff.

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if you scroll down to the "crankshaft rotational friction" you will see that the 426 hemi gets an almost perfect score.

maybe that's what the secret of the old school hemi is.

try racing a newgen and shift at 8000rpms. or a 440.

the old hemi's original factory redline without any mods was 7000

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I had to do a lot of similar test when I was working at
Chrysler and seen a lot of grafts of similar data..
but that was part of my job... back then it was a lot
of fun when we could do R&D.. once Daimler took over
that pretty much ended... as to what is meant by lab
exhaust.. that depended on the test being run.. maybe
a header but most were with manifolds with pipe extensions
without muffs... if headers were to be run I ended
up building most of them







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