Initial hard to crank over but then turns over good...?
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05/05/14 11:35 AM
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This is a revisit as I never got this issue resolved. When I first turn the starter over, it cranks as if the battery is weak (or hot starting) barely turning the motor over. But once it makes the first revolution, it turns over fine. It never fails to start but something isn't right! Battery is in the bed, new starter (have tried other starters).
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Re: Initial hard to crank over but then turns over good...?
[Re: Dragula]
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05/05/14 12:10 PM
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loose connection, too small a wire, bad ground. Eventually it will find itself for you. Not trying to be a smarta%%, but on the initial hit, it isn't making good contact, and after a second or two, it does, but it can't continue like that, it will do some damage. Just my You say battery in the bed, where is the ground wire going, remember the body is resting on rubber mounts.
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Re: Initial hard to crank over but then turns over good...?
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05/05/14 01:42 PM
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Why is it that when guys ask members for help they can not supply more info to help the cause? 1. what gauge power wire and what length? 2. What size ground wire, gauge, and length? 3. Are you using a stock starter relay or after market? (I like the Ford ones. 4.what starter and when was maintenance done to it. 5. did you ever clean the surface where the starter bolts on. 6. Since you are grounding to the starter did you ever try going directly to the engine block. 7. Did you use a chassis ground too?
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Re: Initial hard to crank over but then turns over good...?
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If you don't have a gear reduction starter on a high compression engine it's hard to get it cranking. Once it gets turning it's ok.
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Re: Initial hard to crank over but then turns over good...?
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05/05/14 01:52 PM
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pull coil wire and try, most likely timing
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Re: Initial hard to crank over but then turns over good...?
[Re: TheOtherDodge]
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8. Did you ever have the battery load tested? 9. Did you ever check the amprege drawl with a meter on the starter while trying to start it? 10. did you ever hook up a charger to the battery and turn the charger on to the start setting to give it more amps/ 11. If you put a real slow (1/2-2 amp) charger on for 24 hours how does it crank over. 12. With the sparkplugs removed how many foot pounds does it take to turn over the engine?
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Re: Initial hard to crank over but then turns over good...?
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05/06/14 12:32 PM
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I also have a ground from the battery to the bed... I have grounds all over the place! Also, this is FI, so no carb!
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Re: Initial hard to crank over but then turns over good...?
[Re: TheOtherDodge]
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05/06/14 12:44 PM
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Quote:
I also have a ground from the battery to the bed...
I have grounds all over the place!
Also, this is FI, so no carb!
We had this issue before... do a pressure drop test on the fuel supply... I made a set up with a gauge on both sides of a valve.. install it at the injector rail... pressurize it then shut the valve and watch the pressure to see which end is leaking... if its the injectors then its going into the open cyls
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Re: Initial hard to crank over but then turns over good...?
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Mr P: Since I have a switch that turns on the ignition/computer and fuel pump seperately, I can try to start the truck for a few seconds to "clean out any fuel" that may be accumulating as you are suspecting. Without the fuel pump on, the rails, injectors and cylinders should now be clean of fuel. I will wait a fuel hours and try again. It acts as if it is a ground problem or loose connection or too much timing... Except, as I mentioned before, when I first try to start, it turns over slowly. But after the initial try, if I turn the key to off, then back to try and start it, it turns over easily. Maybe I will make a vid/sound clip this evening.
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