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cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's #1606653
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hey guy's, well last year i drove the d150 with the mostly stock 318 beside's the normal bolt on's ( long tube header's, performer intake, 600cfm carb) i want a little more giddy up & go. so im getting a comps XE256H cam (thanks to a member here) I dont want to yank the motor & do a complete rebuild but what else could be done to get a little more power?? i am swapping to 355 gear's which should help.. i am kickin around replacing the head's with a set from areoracing, i dont want to go throuw the hasle of the magnum head swap, i do got a pair of 89-90 tbi head's but last time i checked it was well over $500 to get them rebuilt.. any info would be great guy's


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Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: lifted85] #1606654
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By your screen name, is it fair to say that the truck is 4 wheel drive? If so, you need torque to get the big tires rolling. The 318 isn't the first choice for that but the headers do help as would a full 2 1/4" exhaust system. The cam is borderline for torque in a 318 but it will work. Its certainly a step up. Stock 318 cams had .373 lift! Really.
Engine Quest sells NEW LA and Magnum heads. If you are bucks down, a good rebuild and port job on a set of 1985-91 #302 heads is one option. they are small valve, small port but with bigger valves and porting, they will do.

Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: Kern Dog] #1606655
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truck is a 81 d150 2wd... i hate 360's so thats why opted for a 318.. truck has duel 2.5" exhaust along with long tube header's... i got a set of 308/302 head's but like i said the shop wanted well over $500 to just rebuild um.. the onse from areo heads are 1.88-1.60 IIRC


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Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: lifted85] #1606656
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Around here Magnum 5.2's are cheap, picked up my last one for $150

Consider swapping one in with a carb intake.




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Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: lifted85] #1606657
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I would reconsider the mags. JY ones are cheap & you'd just need a mag compatible intake & possibly different pushrods. If you're dead set against them then the 302's with some home porting. You desperately need compression which the closed chambered mags/ 302's would provide. A cam from Hughes and alot of time tweaking the dist subsytems in order: initial/total to 35 (31 if mags)/springs/vac adv. May I ask why you dislike 360's? as you desperately need torque (more cubes) for your app.


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Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: RapidRobert] #1606658
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I would like to know why you would pass on the 360 too?
Big mistake in my opinion.


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Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: Copper Dart] #1606659
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spent a fortune a 360 i had built & it was a dog. every 318 i have owned has been good.. like i said i got my mind set on the comp XE256H dont want to go through spending a fortune on a new intake, push rod's, lifters with the mag head swap.. looks like i will pick up a set of areo & do a little porting & call it good....


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Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: lifted85] #1606660
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i got a set of 308/302 head's but like i said the shop wanted well over $500 to just rebuild um..




You do know that the 302 and 308 are totally differnt castings, right?
The 360 was a dog? If you build a 318 and a 360 with identical specs, the 42 extra cubic inches will always win.

Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: Kern Dog] #1606661
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ya i know they are differnt lol... not a fan of 360s just me... would the #308s be worth rebuilding compared to the areo heads?


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Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: lifted85] #1606662
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Aero heads are Indy's garden variety rebuilt heads & been a few bad reports on them tho probably not any more than anyone else (we're in the business of solving problems here on Moparts) so we get way more bad reports than good but they are open chambered. I would strongly consider finding some 302's (closed chambers) & open em up a bit. FYI 308's are the best of all the iron open chambered heads


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Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: RapidRobert] #1606663
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i will have to double check but im sure the head's i pulled of my 89-90 w150 318 was 308's.. might have to run to the next town & see what they will charge to rebuild um... whats the normal rate you buy's pay to get them rebuild


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Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: lifted85] #1606664
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Switching from 302s to 308s is a tradeoff. The 308s flow better but they also have larger chambers resulting in a 1/2 point loss in compression.

Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: Kern Dog] #1606665
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Switching from 302s to 308s is a tradeoff. The 308s flow better but they also have larger chambers resulting in a 1/2 point loss in compression.






#308 is a 89-91 360 swirl port/open chamber head and is the best head since the X heads back in the day. they redid the exhaust port to flow more. they only came on a 360 TBI engine.

BUT>>in a JY they are few and pron to cracks same as the mag heads.

I agree with you Zack, 360 are not everyones cup of tea. if you do not build the rest of the truck with the parts to make the 360 work it is always a dog no matter what it is in.

the over the counter LA & mag heads are only 75$ more than my local machine shop can do them for..so for 75$ more I get NEW head castings complete ready to install.

hard to beat next day also. most all of mine are a 600$ rebuilt short block with a 600$ set of heads.

comes out to about the same as a long block over the counter..

300$ 91-318 JY engine with a 400$ roller cam is what I am reving now. runs killer in my 85 stepside 2x truck for 700$


Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1606666
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300$ 91-318 JY engine with a 400$ roller cam is what I am reving now. runs killer in my 85 stepside 2x truck for 700$






I had already suggested just dropping a magnum 5.2 in, they can be had for dirt cheap, carb intakes are easy to lay hands on and used roller cams are anything from $50-$150 and don't wear out.

Better heads, better cam setup, lower friction rings, win-win all the way around.




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Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: gdonovan] #1606667
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300$ 91-318 JY engine with a 400$ roller cam is what I am reving now. runs killer in my 85 stepside 2x truck for 700$






I had already suggested just dropping a magnum 5.2 in, they can be had for dirt cheap, carb intakes are easy to lay hands on and used roller cams are anything from $50-$150 and don't wear out.

Better heads, better cam setup, lower friction rings, win-win all the way around.






I have only had 2 brand new engines at 3500 each...over rated and where nothing but hassle to deal with... granted race engines do not like daily driver duty..

so been doing cheap JY freshin ups and run them as hard as they will go till they give up for daily drivers.

dirt cheap and roller cams are investments for the long run.

Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1606668
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No 318 ever came with 308 heads, unless it was a factory mistake. If you have heads off a late model 318, they are 302s, or there was another head with different casting number but same heart-shaped combustion chambers.

The 302s I'm running right now are from a 120,000 mile Fifth Avenue and they were not "rebuilt". Guides were still in tolerance and the seats looked good. I did cut down the valveguides so I could run a bigger cam later, and added new valve stem seals and Crane 308 springs which will be okay if I ever get the roller 318 cam reground. Then I did a whole bunch of home porting.
I installed them with Mr Gasket thin head gaskets. I'm still working out the carburetion, but on its first long trip it returned something over 21 mpg.
If you are absolutely bucks-down, find that late-model Fifth Avenue and pirate the heads, or the whole engine if you can. My shortblock had no ridge and the crosshatch still visible in the cylinders. Bearings were OK, too.

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Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: dogdays] #1606669
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318 4BBL M-body cop cars had open chambered 360 heads through 1989, but not 308s AFAIK.

Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: Reggie] #1606670
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I can understand doing the 318 if that what you own, but you hate 360s? Lets see more stroke, bigger bore. What's not to like? If the 360 was a dog a 318 with the same parts will be worse. The problem using 308 heads on a stock short block is low compression, you'll be lucky to get 8-1. That equals dog. I would mill the heads at least .060". Thermo-quad and a stock intake will improve low end grunt.
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Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: dvw] #1606671
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well after dropin ina couple thousand it was a dog.. thats just me... the head's are stamped 714 so iirc they are fast burn head's.. are the 714's any good??


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Re: cheap 318 build.. need some pointer's [Re: lifted85] #1606672
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The 714 is a production Magnum truck head. You say it was a "dog". What compression, cam, intake,carb? What vehicle, gear, converter? By all rights this head should easily support 400HP.
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