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Re: Brake pedal "meh" thinking about braided lines. [Re: gdonovan] #1594567
03/23/14 09:47 PM
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I used 2.75" calipers with ceramic pads & they were adequate around town & I never needed to challenge em so I dont know how they'd be under performance conditions. The R calipers are all 2.75" & the bleeder location would likely be different on em & not sure how they interchange & reportedly (by Andy) Andy's bible covers that subject very well. If I wanted more I'd get some 11&3/4" horseshoe adapters/ 11&3/4" rotors. They take the same calipers & I'd do a bed in procedure with some performance pads


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Re: Brake pedal "meh" thinking about braided lines. [Re: RapidRobert] #1594568
03/23/14 09:50 PM
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If I wanted more I'd get some 11&3/4" horseshoe adapters/ 11&3/4" rotors. They take the same calipers & I'd do a bed in procedure with some performance pads




Already have the big rotors, to be honest I did not know Mopar had two different piston sizes on the slider type caliper or I would have opted for the larger ones right off the bat.

Not money wasted as I still have to do the swap on the Dart, just hate wasted time.

I was hard on the brakes today, they felt faded out when I got home. I was flogging them pretty hard in a 5 minute window. Upgrades!





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Re: Brake pedal "meh" thinking about braided lines. [Re: gdonovan] #1594569
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you have increased .140" (more than 1/8")
i think 1/16" is about 12% increase in volume...and leg, and will
explain the hard pedal with a lot less travel.

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Re: Brake pedal "meh" thinking about braided lines. [Re: gdonovan] #1594570
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I was hard on the brakes today, they felt faded out when I got home. I was flogging them pretty hard in a 5 minute window. Upgrades!





Sounds like you have it to where a more aggressive pad is all you need.
The typical parts store pads all tend to fade somewhat once heated up.
If you get to a higher grade of pad (harder)the stopping is better once heated but sometimes suffers when not being driven aggressively.


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Re: Brake pedal "meh" thinking about braided lines. [Re: skicker] #1594571
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Sounds like you have it to where a more aggressive pad is all you need.






Which is why I was looking at the Police/Taxi listings for St.Regis.

Most parts books don't show an interchange, but that might not be an issue. Wasn't sure if there was a slight change in the caliper and the calipers are only 20 bucks a pop.

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The typical parts store pads all tend to fade somewhat once heated up.





Had very good luck with the Wagner Thermoquiet in the past with the turbo cars, we would flog them for dear life. But they might have a different formulation or just the weight difference in vehicles is enough to push them over the edge.




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Re: Brake pedal "meh" thinking about braided lines. [Re: can.al] #1594572
03/24/14 07:02 AM
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you have increased .140" (more than 1/8")
i think 1/16" is about 12% increase in volume...and leg, and will
explain the hard pedal with a lot less travel.




I'm considering a swap of masters, I'll do pads and calipers first. I'll need another master for the Dart, so what I order will depend on how the car is with different pads and calipers.




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Re: Brake pedal "meh" thinking about braided lines. [Re: can.al] #1594573
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Bigger calipers will be here today and the pads have already arrived.

Pads are Wagner SX84/SX7017 severe duty pads.




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Re: Brake pedal "meh" thinking about braided lines. [Re: gdonovan] #1594574
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Just an update- Swapped the calipers and pads over last night and bled the system out. Drove the car for about 1/2 hour and worked on bedding the pads in. As expected there is more pedal drop than before due to the larger pistons (2.75" vs 2.60") but the brakes seem to work better. I'm going to drive the car this weekend for a few hours and see where everything settles out. I think the current master is going to stay as with the current caliper and pad setup the pedal drop to pressure ratio if you will seems good to me.

Next step is to move to the rears and get them where they belong with 11 x 2.5" brakes again. Already have two brands of shoes on the way along with new wheel cylinders from e-berg.

Thanks to everyone who chimed in! The car is much more fun to drive with some proper brakes and not diving about.




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Re: Brake pedal "meh" thinking about braided lines. [Re: gdonovan] #1594575
04/04/14 06:11 PM
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Rock Auto strikes again!

I ordered the first set of heavy duty pads and they came in correct so I went ahead and ordered a second set to have on the shelf.... and they are generic junk pads in a generic Big A Automotive box.

sigh.




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