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Neon rings #1590315
03/09/14 01:36 PM
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Ok, here is the deal. My 95 Neon is down on compression, and one cylinder is way down, and drinking oil. All I want to do is rough up the holes with a dingle berry hone, and put new rings in. That's all I can afford at this time. The factory only offers standard size, and they are very expensive, so what is ya'lls opinion? Just do that or go to the next size parts store rings, and file down the gap so they fit? If that is the route, who makes the best replacement rings? I'm just going to pull the head, and pan, and do it with the motor in the car. Car has 454,000 miles, so there will be some cylinder wear, but it has been on Mobil 1 all its life.

Re: Neon rings [Re: 71birdJ68] #1590316
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It might be best to tear it down and figure out the exact cause of the problem. Then assess your options.


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Re: Neon rings [Re: 71birdJ68] #1590317
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with that amount of miles and you want to go cheap buy an oversize set and file it down..but the funny thing is that you asked who makes the best rings????you might open a can of worms..

Re: Neon rings [Re: AARCONV] #1590318
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Have you considered just replacing the engine with a lower mile salvage engine? You should be able to find a motor from the salvage yard with less than 150k for 400 to 500 bucks. Id get a salvage unit, slap on a new timing belt and water pump and stick it in there. It may be cheaper by the time you buy all of the stuff to fix or should I say patch yours.


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Re: Neon rings [Re: 71birdJ68] #1590319
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Standard rings are $40 at rock auto.




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Re: Neon rings [Re: DaveRS23] #1590320
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This is the original eng, and I want to wring it out for as long as it will go. I know exactly what I have with the rest of the engine. The bearing are good as new. And I know why the rings are letting go. It blew two head gaskets between #1, and 2, and both times all the water went out the tale pipe. I limped home both times, and it got hot, so the rings have just lost their tension. I'm just wondering weather to use standard, or file a set of oversize.

Re: Neon rings [Re: 71birdJ68] #1590321
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Measure the cylinder bore and you will know what to use. We can't tell from here.

Re: Neon rings [Re: stumpy] #1590322
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Measure the cylinder bore and you will know what to use. We can't tell from here.




got the feeling he doesn't want it down long.

The moly rings at rock auto are $80+, factory rings are moly, that's why you got the miles you did, not Mobil. That being said, a quicky job like it seems you want would be better done with cast rings as they seal up easier in less than adequate hone jobs than moly.


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Re: Neon rings [Re: Supercuda] #1590323
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You're right I can't have it down very long,my only other car is a 75 /6 Dart, and it drinks the gas. Factory rings are a $125 a hole, I don't know anybody with a bore gauge. Maybe if I look hard I might find someone with one. Yes, it is the Moble 1 that has made it last. The last time the head gasket blew I checked the rod bearing, and they checked the same as new clearance, plus here is one of the rod bearings to look at it had 370,000 when I took the picture. There was just a faint hone pattern in one or two cylinders. The reason I ask about which brand of rings are good, I haven't bought any of that stuff since the 70s. I'm trying to finish up my Road Runner is the reason I don't have any spare money.

Re: Neon rings [Re: 71yelladustr] #1590324
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Have you considered just replacing the engine with a lower mile salvage engine? You should be able to find a motor from the salvage yard with less than 150k for 400 to 500 bucks. Id get a salvage unit, slap on a new timing belt and water pump and stick it in there. It may be cheaper by the time you buy all of the stuff to fix or should I say patch yours.




Good advice

Re: Neon rings [Re: TJP] #1590325
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Quote:

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Have you considered just replacing the engine with a lower mile salvage engine? You should be able to find a motor from the salvage yard with less than 150k for 400 to 500 bucks. Id get a salvage unit, slap on a new timing belt and water pump and stick it in there. It may be cheaper by the time you buy all of the stuff to fix or should I say patch yours.




Good advice




I would also agree. It is easier to change the motor and do the water pump and timing belt while it is out of the Vehicle and get another 150 K out of this motor.


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Re: Neon rings [Re: hemicar1971] #1590326
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You will have a hard time finding a low milage used engine for first gen neon. Those cars are really getting used up. The circle track guys are also snapping them up.

Re: Neon rings [Re: rallye73] #1590327
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I counted several used engines in Tennessee salvage yards with under 150K in the 4 to $500 price range on www.car-part.com FWIW.


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Re: Neon rings [Re: rallye73] #1590328
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Yes, they are getting hard to find. And the motor would be a gamble on the condition inside.

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You will have a hard time finding a low milage used engine for first gen neon. Those cars are really getting used up. The circle track guys are also snapping them up.




Your post started me asking questions. Is it a DOHC or a SOHC motor. The big problem being the year. 1995 you have the OBD1 system in a 1995 Neon. Most if not all censors are different from 96,97,98,99 first gen motors and second gens are a no go. Finding a motor could be hard to do. Now go to Rock Auto and take a look around for parts.


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Re: Neon rings [Re: hemicar1971] #1590330
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It's a sohc and a obd1, that's why I asked about the ring options. I'm not going to change out the motor, I know what I have. All I'm going to do is rough up the bores, but who is making good replacement rings now a days, and should I get cast or moly?

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Re: Neon rings [Re: 71birdJ68] #1590331
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Total Seal makes rings for neons. Most of the outlets that cater to neons have carried them for years.

Re: Neon rings [Re: rallye73] #1590332
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Thanks everybody.

Re: Neon rings [Re: 71birdJ68] #1590333
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Quote:

It's a sohc and a obd1, that's why I asked about the ring options. I'm not going to change out the motor, I know what I have.




With 454k on the clock I'd be concerned with the rods failing before a set of inexpensive aftermarket rings.

With that sort of number on the short block if you are planning to keep it and boneyard motor might not be a bad suggestion if something with low miles is available.




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Re: Neon rings [Re: 71birdJ68] #1590334
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Have you been over to Neons.org yet? There is a ton of info there, but it is populated by younger guys and you have to sort through a lot of opinions to get to good experienced knowledge. But there is more info there on these cars than anywhere else.

I think that the reason you are not getting a lot of experienced answers to your question is because there have been plenty of good, used inexpensive Neon engines available. And most guys are more comfortable with a used engine than with going into their old engine.

Couple that with the fact that most guys would want to do a lot more to their old engine than just re-ring it, and swapping the old one out is cheaper and quicker. For them.

I am not attempting to change your mind, just pointing out why there are few, if any guys with experience rebuilding these engines answering you.


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