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Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: Charger_440] #1585064
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The 625 version is enough carburetor for a mild 360 unless you plan on some major upgrades. On the dyno, measured airflow on my test mule was less than 600 cfm with any carburetor I tested on it. Test carburetors ranged from the 625 up to a Holley HP950 that utilizes a venturi size similar to a 750.
I'll see if I can find the cfm comparison sheet or print out a new one. Too big of a carburetor reduces the signal due to lack of vacuum at wide open throttle.
Keith

Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: Charger_440] #1585065
03/04/14 12:04 AM
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we have the street demon and the quickfuel mentioned above. what are some other good carbs in the pricerange between 650 and 750 cfm?

I prefer vacuum secondaries





I misunderstood what you meant by "we have a street demon". And are you now rethinking your position on the secondary actuation?


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Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1585066
03/04/14 02:39 AM
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The 625 version is enough carburetor for a mild 360 unless you plan on some major upgrades.
Keith



Bingo and bingo again!

I had a 79- 360 that I used a Fed-Mougal made Carter 625 AFB on top of a iron TQ intake. Factory exhaut manifolds into a dual exhaust. It was a nice upgrade. While not a big fan of an AFB, it did scoot along real well.

Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: Rob C] #1585067
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The 625 version is enough carburetor for a mild 360 unless you plan on some major upgrades.
Keith




Normally I'd agree with the statement but I keep circling back to my Duster- Stock bore 5.9, Enginequest heads with 1.88 intakes, Edelbrock RPM intake and a Compcams roller and exhaust manifolds.

The engine is mild enough I have power brakes and a stock converter but would draw a vacuum at WOT after a second or two. Classic indicator of being under carb'd.

Replaced with a 750, problem gone. I say problem because it was popping the overdrive back on, I have a vacuum switch for OD override.

I guess the question would be the definition of mild build. If it is a stockish build then for sure lean towards the 625, anything more and I'd say the 750.




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Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: Charger_440] #1585068
03/05/14 01:39 AM
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Let me see if I can help. I have 5.9 Magnum, KB .04 over pistons. Air gap intake, Hughes roller cam, Indy x heads. Headers, MSD ignition. I am currently running a 625 Carter that works pretty good but bogs. Tried an Eddy 750 and it killed the engine. I think the 625 Street demon sounds good for my set up and the ops. I think I'd like a 670 Street Avenger. Had a 770 on a 383 that worked perfectly.


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Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: dfsmopars] #1585069
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I am currently running a 625 Carter that works pretty good but bogs.


More info as we might be able to help you fix what's going on with it. I ain't a CFM problem (625/5.9) tho you have a pretty healthy build it should not be bogging


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Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: dfsmopars] #1585070
03/05/14 07:13 AM
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I am currently running a 625 Carter that works pretty good but bogs.




Then you have some other problem if it bogs with a 625.

I'd be more than happy to let anyone drive the car if they are in SE CT and they can see for themselves how the car runs and throttle response.




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Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1585071
03/06/14 12:02 AM
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I was down at the Indy Cylinder Head trade show and swap meet today where I ran into Randy Bolig. He told me the article I wrote for him (Mopar Muscle) where I tested several carburetors on a mild 360 will be in print in the next couple of months.
If you can wait that long please do yourself a favor and read it before you make a decision. Some people's old favorite type carburetors dont hold up so well.
And no matter how the secondary side is adjusted doesn't matter when the metering is all wrong for today's fuels,.....
Keith



Yes I am very interested in reading the article.


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Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: dfsmopars] #1585072
03/06/14 02:00 PM
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ok, so, silly question, but, hey, this is how we learn... if i see a carb advertised as a "chevy carb" or "ford carb" is this just a difference in linkages? or is it also a difference in the mounting pad bolt spacing?

i.e. (and i am not looking at used carbs) a lot of what you see listed on craigslist is used stuff, you see, for example, holley 4 barrel small block chevy, or quadrajet replacement

how do i know what would bolt onto that OEM 360 cast manifold?


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Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: Charger_440] #1585073
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Most aftermarket carbs come with a Chavy linkage. You would have to purchase an adapter for the carb to get the linkages to line up.

If it is advertised as a Ford carb, then that linkage if for a Ford.

Seldom do the carbs come with a "MoPar " linkage set up.

If I got this right ...
The OE iron intakes use Carter's. Any Edelbrock will bolt on because of the dual bolt holes on each corner of the carb mounting pads. If the Holley does not have this, then it will not bolt on a OE intake. Save certain car/model/engine packages that came with a Holley from the factory.

On your OE small block intake, you can readily bolt on any Edelbrock. Look carefully through the Edelbrock catolog.

Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: Rob C] #1585074
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Thanks for the reply Rob.
I've got an Eddy 650 on my 71 javelin, and i dont know if I'd want another. It seems a little finicky.


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Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: Charger_440] #1585075
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Thank you again guys for all of the info and opinions. I did end up going with the street demon 625. i figure since i want to go fuel injected in teh next couple of years, at leat i can use this carb on one of my other cars. None of the others have enough motor to use a 750 at all. lol.

thanks again everyone!! Much Appreciated.


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Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: Charger_440] #1585076
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Keep us posted on your experience with it. Where did you get it?


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Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: DaveRS23] #1585077
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I got it at gran prix speed shop in tulsa. Itll be a week or two before I can assemble the engine. Unwrapped the rebuilt engine to find it dirty and all internals still rusty. Had been wire brushed not hot tanked, grit in the assembly lube and all in the bottom end.....its going bk to the shop on saturday. We have used this shop before, never had this issue in the past


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Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: Charger_440] #1585078
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Good thing you caught that!


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Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: Charger_440] #1585079
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Unwrapped the rebuilt engine to find it dirty and all internals still rusty. grit in the assembly lube and all in the bottom end


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Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: RapidRobert] #1585080
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the guy i talked to was very surprised to heaar this, and glad to make it right. He was glad that I caught it as well. He told me to bring it by and he would get them to re-rebuild it and ensure that it's right this time.

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Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: Charger_440] #1585081
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I got it at gran prix speed shop in tulsa. Itll be a week or two before I can assemble the engine. Unwrapped the rebuilt engine to find it dirty and all internals still rusty. Had been wire brushed not hot tanked, grit in the assembly lube and all in the bottom end.....its going bk to the shop on saturday. We have used this shop before, never had this issue in the past




HTH can you have a dirty "rebuilt" engine.


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Re: Help with carb choice, please...LA 360 rebuild [Re: Supercuda] #1585082
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well......that's the longest week or two I've ever experienced. Today, they FINALLY got the engine finished up and it's being delivered by the shop this evening.
It has been one complete fiasco after another. Lies, excuses, delays, etc. but in the end, it's finally done, and finally correct. They not only did the warranty work to rebuild it right, but, in order to make this all right by me; they also did, for free, bronze guides, hardened seats, 3 angle valve job, and internal balancing. The engine, this time, actually looks like a rebuilt engine should. It's clean, well lubed, everything is right1 I am a happy camper!

Does anyone know what the typical toleranaces are for internal balancing? Their performance guy wasnt there when I was, but the manager kept commenting on how well it balanaced out and how smooth it should be. He said it balanced to within either 5 thousandths or 5 hundred thousandths. He couldnt remember which.

Come to find out, today, at this ENGINE REBUILD SHOP their only engine builder is only there 5 hours a day and their performance guy is only there 3 hours a day. The manager actually said "The other guys might do some mechanic work back there, but after 2PM, basically all we do is answer the phone."

All I could do was shake my head. I'm just glad to have it finished and be done with them. Now, i just hope that it's all as right when ig et it on the engine stand as it appearded to be in the shop.


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