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Re: Lets see your Low Budget ..... Bracket / Drag Cars... [Re: MadMopars] #1575504
02/08/14 02:56 AM
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FWIW, here's the combo in my GTX.

1973 "440"
Standard Bore/Standard Stroke
9:1 Compression
906 Heads (Template Porting)
296/557 MP Purple Cam
M1 intake W/750 Silver Claw
3500 Stall JW Converter
Manual Valve Body
8 3/4 rear with 4.56 Gears
3750 Pounds Race weight

12.32 @ 108.5 in Tucson (So Far...)

Nothing fancy...




Thats a nice budget build. I think you have 11's in your car with more tuning and tme. My old 440 build is very close to it as I had a stock shortblock with KB pistons at 10.0 comp and 906 heads I ported. Same .557 cam and Street Dominator intake with an 850 DP and Hedman 1-3/4 headers. In my 3700 lb 63 it got a best of 11.49 @ 116 and I would guess I had about 3k in parts as I got the car for $1200 big ones and had some of the parts. Also did all the work myself including the heads as I use my brothers valve grinding equipment.
My new eng I built (my 493) I spent alot more on parts as I would say that the money parts were :

Stroker kit (crank,pistons,rods,bearings,rings and the rest of the bottom end kit).....$2000.

Heads (Indy EZ) with cam and lifters and valley plate and dual plane intake with machine work on heads.....$3500

TTI 2" headers and TTI full to rear bumper 3" X-pipe exh and Ultra-Flow mufflers.....$1400

This was the three big spenders that put that build around 7k plus many small extra parts needed in all builds put me about 8k.
But this was one eng I decided to use good new parts and stop throwing engines together with used parts as thats all I usually had the money for. And between my brother and I and a good friend we usually came up with enough parts for me to afford to build a cheap eng and car on the small budget I had.

I bought the 63 for $1200 dollars and alot of work on my buddies cars and thats how I managed to build the first 440 budget eng that ran 11.49.
I have about 8k in parts tied up in the 493 but I wanted to for once in my life build an eng on not so tight a budget that would put me in the 10's on pump thru the pipes just like I drive it. You can click this link http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo82008.html
which is also in my sig for more info on my budget build or just PM or E-mail me if I can help with any questions. But you build now is very close to my first 440 in here and I am sure you will have it in the 11's soon. Ron

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Re: Lets see your Low Budget ..... Bracket / Drag Cars... [Re: 383man] #1575505
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Guys dont mind me but somehow I got "Mad Mopars" build at the top of my post and I thought he was the one asking as thats why I replied to Mad Mopars build so I hope he does not mind. Sometimes you just have to ignor me as I can get retarded at atimes. Ron

Re: Lets see your Low Budget ..... Bracket / Drag Cars... [Re: 383man] #1575506
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LOL budget mopar racing!! This crap cost wayyy too much. For the money I've invested (my setup is stupid simple) I could easily have an 8 second street car fox body or G body haha

Re: Lets see your Low Budget ..... Bracket / Drag Cars... [Re: dvw] #1575507
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With a lot of help and used parts this one came in less than 15K.
Doug




Seriously?!! I'm guessing your fab skills are better than your math skills, Doug.


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Re: Lets see your Low Budget ..... Bracket / Drag Cars... [Re: dvw] #1575508
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With a lot of help and used parts this one came in less than 15K.
Doug



That right there is almost as impressive as the craftsmanship that went into that car. Congrats.

Re: Lets see your Low Budget ..... Bracket / Drag Cars... [Re: Kevins493] #1575509
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I have seen the recipt log. It's tracked to the dollar.

He (dvw) has been good to a lot of his friends over the years, and finally called on all of those buddies to give them a chance to return a life of favors.

All those years of building motors, transmissions, setting up rear ends, helping to assemble restorations, wiring cars... Etc.... Finally paid off.

Re: Lets see your Low Budget ..... Bracket / Drag Cars... [Re: SpareParts] #1575510
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LOL budget mopar racing!! This crap cost wayyy too much. For the money I've invested (my setup is stupid simple) I could easily have an 8 second street car fox body or G body haha




I say this ALL THE TIME.

Low budget and Mopar are very hard to put in the same sentence....To me, low budget is car and build for under 10k- if you can do that with a mopar and run some respectable times, you have my attention.

I think dizuster's car is probably a good example of a budget build.

Re: Lets see your Low Budget ..... Bracket / Drag Cars... [Re: MadMopars] #1575511
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Quote:

FWIW, here's the combo in my GTX.

1973 "440"
Standard Bore/Standard Stroke
9:1 Compression
906 Heads (Template Porting)
296/557 MP Purple Cam
M1 intake W/750 Silver Claw
3500 Stall JW Converter
Manual Valve Body
8 3/4 rear with 4.56 Gears
3750 Pounds Race weight

12.32 @ 108.5 in Tucson (So Far...)

Nothing fancy...




This build is impressive to me.....especially at that weight......

Nice work


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Re: Lets see your Low Budget ..... Bracket / Drag Cars... [Re: dvw] #1575512
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With a lot of help and used parts this one came in less than 15K.
Doug




I believe it I do alot of stuff for friends for free and call them up if I need something. Most of the little stuff that nickels and dimes you to death can be had for free with the right set of friends. I have atleast one good friend in all aspects of a build, parts, fab, paint and body, machine work, etc. Not all do free work but I can call in alot of favors if I need to and I have a decent set of skills as well. I have less than 5K in my whole car including buying it. Now as far as ET's, My 60ft sucks so bad I don't know what it would run all out but it runs back to back 90mph passes in the 1/8th with a best of a 2.10 60' I have only hurt the motor twice in two years and all it needed both times were head gaskets.

Re: Lets see your Low Budget ..... Bracket / Drag Cars... [Re: 383man] #1575513
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With a lot of help and used parts this one came in less than 15K.
Doug





Doug no ofense at all meant here as I love that 64 of yours but I dont see how you could have even got the parts for your car under 15k. So I assume you had or traded for alot of the parts. When I look at your beautiful car it makes me think you got 15k in paint work. Cause it is nice. Ron




The value of the pile of parts that were donated far exceeds what I spent I will agree. Total labor spent was less than $700. Many guys stepped up with parts and labor. Very few new parts,converter,gear/axles/spool,crank trigger,vacuum pump,valves,springs,tappets,cam,intake,headers,front tires,bearings,drive shaft and gaskets. Everything else was used. I did all the sheet metal,cage,engine,trans,axle, suspension,wiring,plumbing. It took a little over 5 years to build. I agree if I had to buy all the parts new there would be over 40K. I don't even want to think about how much labor would cost. If it wasn't for my friends and family I'd still be running my Volare
Doug

Re: Lets see your Low Budget ..... Bracket / Drag Cars... [Re: qwkmopardan] #1575514
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how many oil pans in the wheelie contests? budget builds can be done,it just takes patience,be open to change as parts become available,and who you know.wheeling and dealing parts to get what you want or need always helps.ive trolled around and found incredible deals on parts,just drove 300 miles and bought a full race tci 727 w/brake for 300 bucks from a retired racer.i have also traded labor for a brand new pair of b1 heads and a 400-230 thick wall block.i search craigslist all over the country,racinjunk and of course moparts.if I need a part,more often than not its just a matter of searching the right places...the whole idea is to get what you need,promote the sport,and help others who need parts,labor,etc.... theres way too many people out there who take advantage of people with STUPID prices . even here at times in the parts for sale section you occasionally see this happen,and I am pretty sure we all KNOW WHO.....

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Re: Lets see your Low Budget ..... Bracket / Drag Cars... [Re: SLOW67] #1575515
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i don't know if you'd consider this low budget, but because i could afford it, i do. I built the car myself with assistance of friends for the tricky bits, the original purchase included the 1 piece lift off front end in Kevlar, complete with doors & bootlid for a meer $1500. i upgraded the driveline over the years as i saw things needed attention. it's probably a big $ car now but the funds were spent slowly & wisely as it developed.






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With a lot of help and used parts this one came in less than 15K.
Doug





Doug no ofense at all meant here as I love that 64 of yours but I dont see how you could have even got the parts for your car under 15k. So I assume you had or traded for alot of the parts. When I look at your beautiful car it makes me think you got 15k in paint work. Cause it is nice. Ron




The value of the pile of parts that were donated far exceeds what I spent I will agree. Total labor spent was less than $700. Many guys stepped up with parts and labor. Very few new parts,converter,gear/axles/spool,crank trigger,vacuum pump,valves,springs,tappets,cam,intake,headers,front tires,bearings,drive shaft and gaskets. Everything else was used. I did all the sheet metal,cage,engine,trans,axle, suspension,wiring,plumbing. It took a little over 5 years to build. I agree if I had to buy all the parts new there would be over 40K. I don't even want to think about how much labor would cost. If it wasn't for my friends and family I'd still be running my Volare
Doug


you guys are very talented and lucky to have so many mopar friends around to help and enjoy mopars.

Re: Lets see your Low Budget ..... Bracket / Drag Cars... [Re: dvw] #1575517
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With a lot of help and used parts this one came in less than 15K.
Doug





Doug no ofense at all meant here as I love that 64 of yours but I dont see how you could have even got the parts for your car under 15k. So I assume you had or traded for alot of the parts. When I look at your beautiful car it makes me think you got 15k in paint work. Cause it is nice. Ron




The value of the pile of parts that were donated far exceeds what I spent I will agree. Total labor spent was less than $700. Many guys stepped up with parts and labor. Very few new parts,converter,gear/axles/spool,crank trigger,vacuum pump,valves,springs,tappets,cam,intake,headers,front tires,bearings,drive shaft and gaskets. Everything else was used. I did all the sheet metal,cage,engine,trans,axle, suspension,wiring,plumbing. It took a little over 5 years to build. I agree if I had to buy all the parts new there would be over 40K. I don't even want to think about how much labor would cost. If it wasn't for my friends and family I'd still be running my Volare
Doug




Thats great Doug. I like to do all my own work myself also but when it comes to welding and sheet metal work I am not the greatest. I can weld but am no pro at it for sure. My problem is my back and knees have slowed me down a ton. Glad to see all came together so well on your 64 as you have to be very happy. Heck I am tickled pink to have my 63 let alone have a low 9 second car. Nice build indeed. Ron

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Re: Lets see your Low Budget ..... Bracket / Drag Cars... [Re: 383man] #1575518
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Where's all the stock shortblock type builds at?

Thought maybe we would hear about some of those?


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Everyone's version of "cheap" varies I'm sure. But here's my low dollar hauler from back in the day...

69 Dart
OE 68 440 w/parts store tank, hone.
OE 67 heads, parts store VJ, not ported, 2.08/1.74 stainless valves
MP .484 hyd cam w/OE stamped rockers
OE electronic dist with 6AL
OLD Eddy Torker
Holley 750
Pro Parts headers (2")
OE 727 with MRVB
OE 11" converter
3.91 SG

Weighed 3340 with me in it, on a 9x28 slick, went a best of 11.84/114 in good air.

Added a glass 6-bbl hood and 9x30 slicks and went a best of 11.64/115.

Added at 240* -ish Crower hyd cam, 850 Holley, 4.30 gears, an old J converter and glass bumpers...went a best of 11.43/117

Always ran pump gas, NEVER broke...fun car! After a garage paint job, I had $4300 total in the car. Won back about $1000 over 2 years and then sold it for $4500 turn key. Yea, I'd like to have it back...

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Everyone's version of "cheap" varies I'm sure. But here's my low dollar hauler from back in the day...

69 Dart
OE 68 440 w/parts store tank, hone.
OE 67 heads, parts store VJ, not ported, 2.08/1.74 stainless valves
MP .484 hyd cam w/OE stamped rockers
OE electronic dist with 6AL
OLD Eddy Torker
Holley 750
Pro Parts headers (2")
OE 727 with MRVB
OE 11" converter
3.91 SG

Weighed 3340 with me in it, on a 9x28 slick, went a best of 11.84/114 in good air.

Added a glass 6-bbl hood and 9x30 slicks and went a best of 11.64/115.

Added at 240* -ish Crower hyd cam, 850 Holley, 4.30 gears, an old J converter and glass bumpers...went a best of 11.43/117

Always ran pump gas, NEVER broke...fun car! After a garage paint job, I had $4300 total in the car. Won back about $1000 over 2 years and then sold it for $4500 turn key. Yea, I'd like to have it back...




Seems like the common "theme" with most guys who had a car buildup like this is that they wish they had it back...... Nice build

Great Example


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1990 Dodge Dakota
Stock short block 360 Magnum
R/T 2.02 heads 1.7 RRs
Air gap intake 750 hp
Reground cam .223@50 .565 lift
727 rmvb PTC 9.5 converter
8.8 rear end 3.73s 275/60/15 drag radials
best pass
60 ft 1.68
1/8 7.56
mph 90.00
1/4 11.91
mph 112.00

Has been in the 10s on nitrous



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Where's all the stock shortblock type builds at?

Thought maybe we would hear about some of those?




I'll try to post some specs, parts and prices soon, can't do it at work. But stock 360 block based 408, homebuilt 2x3 chassis, strut front end and 4 link. Just off the top of my head I think I have about $15-20k in this car not counting repairs for parts I've scattered.

Oh and while almost every part was bought brand new except of course for the block, trans case and rear end housing. It could probably be duplicated for less by sourcing used parts for a lot of the stuff.

I didn't really keep an expense sheet but I sold off my guitar and amp collection to fund it so I know how much I spent, just not sure what went where.

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