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#1572884 - 02/02/14 11:18 AM Fan blade?
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68 gtx 440 4 speed no ac 26 inch rad. What is the correct fan blade? Fan clutch or not? Thanks Larry j

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#1572885 - 02/02/14 11:21 AM Re: Fan blade? [Re: 68gtx]
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68 gtx 440 4 speed no ac 26 inch rad. What is the correct fan blade? Fan clutch or not? Thanks Larry j




216 fan with 070 torque drive clutch
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#1572886 - 02/02/14 11:36 AM Re: Fan blade? [Re: AZ_A12_BEE]
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thanks !!!!!!

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#1572887 - 02/02/14 12:30 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: 68gtx]
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Is there a 18 and 18.5 inch 216 ? Or are all 216 fans One size. The reason I ask is I found 2 216 blades on Ebay 1 says 18 1 says 18.5?? thanks Larry J

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#1572888 - 02/02/14 12:48 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: 68gtx]
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There all one size,depends on how it's measured.


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#1572889 - 02/02/14 12:59 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: 68gtx]
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thanks !!!!!!




Oops, 216 is max cooling , if you have standard cooling it's the 215 fan, if you have no build sheet or don't care use the 216, it will move more air
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#1572890 - 02/02/14 01:01 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: 62maxwgn]
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There all one size,depends on how it's measured.


That would be incorrect.
They are in fact different as 18" is the 215 blade fan for 68-69.
216 is the 18.5 for 70-71.
The 18 and 18.5 blade ends are cut differently

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#1572891 - 02/02/14 01:06 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: mccannix]
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There all one size,depends on how it's measured.


That would be incorrect.
They are in fact different as 18" is the 215 blade fan for 68-69.
216 is the 18.5 for 70-71.
The 18 and 18.5 blade ends are cut different




Wrong, A12s used 216 as well as any other car with max cooling 054 rad
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#1572892 - 02/02/14 01:11 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: AZ_A12_BEE]
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OK... so I neglected to mention A12..

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#1572893 - 02/02/14 01:12 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: 68gtx]
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The ONLY 1968 b-body "RB" combination that received the 2863216 fan is the 440HP w/auto & A/C.

1968 b-bodies with 440HP & 4-speed (& HEMI w/4-speed and HEMI w/automatic) all used the 2863215 7-blade fan and 2806070 torque drive clutch unit.


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#1572894 - 02/02/14 01:42 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: AZ_A12_BEE]
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Wrong, A12s used 216 as well as any other car with max cooling 054 rad




This statement is incorrect as well.
"MAX COOLING" is a "red herring" it is NOT an orderable OPTION certain combinations have it others do not. A 1969 b-body with a "054" radiator does not equal "MAX COOLING" nor mandate a "216" fan.
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#1572895 - 02/02/14 01:43 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: 6bblgt]
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18.5" 216 fan blade in front, 18" 215 in rear...


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#1572896 - 02/02/14 01:44 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: mccannix]
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note the different notch profile in the two...stamped 2863215 fan in front has more meat on blades than the stamped 2863216 fan in rear.


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#1572897 - 02/02/14 01:52 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: 6bblgt]
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Wrong, A12s used 216 as well as any other car with max cooling 054 rad




This statement is incorrect as well.
"MAX COOLING" is a "red herring" it is NOT an orderable OPTION certain combinations have it others do not. A 1969 b-body with a "054" radiator does not equal "MAX COOLING" nor mandate a "216" fan.




max cooling in a 69 b body will have a 054 rad and 216 fan, and a 054 does not instantly mean 216 fan,correct?
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#1572898 - 02/02/14 03:33 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: 6bblgt]
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The ONLY 1968 b-body "RB" combination that received the 2863216 fan is the 440HP w/auto & A/C.

1968 b-bodies with 440HP & 4-speed (& HEMI w/4-speed and HEMI w/automatic) all used the 2863215 7-blade fan and 2806070 torque drive clutch unit.




My 68 440 4 speed has the 215 fan and 070 clutch fan with the 047 rad. The only thing is that the 68 had the inked stamp version. The stamped version were 70 and up.

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#1572899 - 02/02/14 04:55 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: BB14404SPD]
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So looks like correct fan is 215 for 68 440 4 speed no ac. But I have a 216. see any reason not to use it ?? Thanks larry J

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#1572900 - 02/02/14 10:47 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: 68gtx]
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It will work fine..

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#1572901 - 02/04/14 04:37 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: 6bblgt]
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Wrong, A12s used 216 as well as any other car with max cooling 054 rad




This statement is incorrect as well.
"MAX COOLING" is a "red herring" it is NOT an orderable OPTION certain combinations have it others do not. A 1969 b-body with a "054" radiator does not equal "MAX COOLING" nor mandate a "216" fan.




While I agree that Build Code N51 was not orderable as a stand-alone option (it was included on a car based on other selected options/package), I've seen multiple engineering graphics and other documents which refer to Build Code N51 as "Max Cooling Pkg Less Fan". On all of the 1969 Broadcast Sheets I've physically seen so far with B/C N51, they have all coded the 054 radiator. The engineering graphics also indicate the 054 radiator was to be installed on N51 Max Cool cars. As such, I would say that 1969 Max Cooling cars should all have the 054 radiator (barring the usual assembly line error factor).

Radiator fans are a totally different story, as there's a range of fan and/or fan spacers installed on cars coded for N51 MaxCool. For example... '69 Hemi B-bodies - both auto and manual trans - should have B/C N51 (and as a result, the 054 radiator), but are equipped with the 18" 215 fan. All 440 Manual Trans cars were also supposed to get the 215 fan, but A34-equipped (4.10 ratio) cars would also have been given the N51 MaxCool treatment with the 054 radiator just like the Hemi's. It's quite correct to say there is no mandate for a 216 fan on B/C N51 "Max Cooling" cars, since there are a large number of real-world examples proving the disconnect.

With research help from Doug Hammer, attached is a chart which walks through some of the main variables that dictated B/C N51 MaxCool and that option package's Fan and Drive/Spacer. Between Doug and myself, almost all of these have been observed on original Broadcast Sheets (indicated as 'verified'), and the remaining ones are based on an interpretation of the engineering graphics. I'm certainly open to correction if there's empirical examples of Broadcast Sheets which differ from those two line-item predictions... but I have some degree of confidence in the info or I wouldn't have put my proverbial neck on the Moparts chopping block...


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#1572902 - 02/04/14 04:48 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: hemigeno]
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Gene
Stick your neck here, I have the axe ready for you!
I would not fret too much over the 215/216 issue on your car, as either would work.
With that being said, I have run into at least four original cars in twenty years that have the "incorrect" fan on them, though all the clutch units were the 070.
I would say that it's not that uncommon, as they both were a size that would have fit & the cooling difference would have been minimal.
After all, it's not like they were gonna stop the line to do something right back then!

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#1572903 - 02/04/14 05:14 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: Paul Jacobs]
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Gene
Stick your neck here, I have the ax ready for you!
I would not fret too much over the 215/216 issue on your car, as either would work.
With that being said, I have run into at least four original cars in twenty years that have the "incorrect" fan on them, though all the clutch units were the 070.
I would say that it's not that uncommon, as they both were a size that would have fit & the cooling difference would have been minimal.
After all, it's not like they were gonna stop the line to do something right back then!




Hi Paul

Just as you say, the differences between the fans are pretty minimal... the 216 is 1/2" bigger (18.5" vs. 18.0") and has 1/4" greater pitch (2.5" vs. 2.25", measured by laying the fan flat and checking its height) than the 215. Both were used on the 26" radiator options, would fit the 070 torque drive spacer, and used the same shroud (not sure how they would fit a 22" radiator/shroud though). I've seen at least one unrestored car coded for 055 that got a 3-core 054, and there could be an example out there somewhere going the other way on radiator size too... which is exactly why I tacked on the "usual assembly line error" qualifier earlier.

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#2382219 - 10/04/17 11:29 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: hemigeno]
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Does anybody have a solid opinion on which fan blade a 69 Hemi Daytona Automatic would have had originally? I guess its either the 215 or 216. Also are the fan blades steel or aluminum?

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#2382229 - 10/04/17 11:41 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: Trailers4Sale]
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the 10 HEMI Daytona broadcast sheets (5 auto/5 4-speed) I have copies of are all "15" (#2863215) all steel
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#2382808 - 10/05/17 11:56 PM Re: Fan blade? [Re: 6bblgt]
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Thanks. I need a really nice 2863215 fan blade. If you know of one please let me know. Also , I'm seeing that some of them have the part number ink stamped and some have the part number stamped into the metal at the end of one of the blades. Any idea which style is correct for a 69?...Thanks.....Tony amalcein@aol.com 715-579-7352

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