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Re: CHEAP Tremec 600 installation pics [Re: CJK440] #15658
07/02/05 08:49 AM
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I also got a quote from Keisler and with a hydraulic clutch set up it came to approx 4k.I'm really digging this because we have a t-5 sitting around (I work for FURD As a tech).The juices are now rightously (sp) flowing on how to get something really cool for low bucks.Keisler also digs the E bodies because according to them there are no body modifications or neccesary hack jobs to get it in.The only thing I'm kinda worried about is we are putting together a Hemi that's well over 600 Hp for the steert and I want to make sure it holds up.

You guys did a great job on the info!!!!

Re: CHEAP Tremec 600 installation pics [Re: 446acuda] #15659
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Also for any of you considering using an O.E. bellhousing with an adaptor plate you might be able to get away with it even with the shorten than mopar input on the Tremec but getting Liberty gear in michigan or possibly Jamie Passon to put a long Chrysler pilot end on the Tremec. You probably need to check how much the input splines move out of the disc(with adaptor plate in place) before going this route though.




I looked into this. What I found is that the distance from the front of the Tremec tranny case to the end of the splines on the Tremec are almost exactly the same dimension as the mounting face of the bellhousing to the inside of the disk splines. This means that if you pull the tranny out X amount, you will be losing the same amount of spline engagement.

You would need a longer shaft with longer splines.

Cudaman1- I wouldn't even think of using any factory T-5 behind a bigblock let alone a built hemi. TKO 600 for sure.


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Darn you all......

Now I want one. How will I talk the wife into it?





You can always use the "with gas prices so high, it will pay for itself!!" line.

Re: CHEAP Tremec 600 installation pics [Re: CJK440] #15660
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Hey CJK440,
Do you think the exact swap you did would work for a 70 B-body?
Sounds very interesting and affordable!

Re: CHEAP Tremec 600 installation pics [Re: Blakcharger440] #15661
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can someone please put this in thech archives.

Re: CHEAP Tremec 600 installation pics [Re: CJK440] #15662
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Update-

Found an easy way to adapt the speedometer.

Go to the parts place and buy a speedo cable from an 86 Mustang GT without Cruise. $17 from advance auto.

Search for the correct speedo gear that you need (Tremecs have a 7 tooth drive gear) here...

http://www.mindspring.com/~steveflyer/speedo_gear_select.htm


Disconnect your cable from the back of the cluster and pull out the flex cable almost all the way out from the sheath.

Locate a fairly straight section of the cable sheath under your car (usually along the frame rail) and cut the sheath removing the part that attaches to the tranny. Remove the flex cable out of the Ford sheath, match up the trimmed end of the Mopar cable and cut it close to the same spot.

Then feed the flex cable back into the mopar sheath and reinstall the cable to the speedo. Install the trimmed section of ford cable & gear into tranny. Don't forget the lock clip and O-ring.

Then snake the cable into the ford cable and try to butt the ends of the mopar and ford sheath together. Ideally you want the flex cable inside to butt inside the speedo gear and cluster before the sheaths touch. If they do, pull the cable out of the ford section and trim more testing again. Once you get about an inch gap. Take a piece of 5/16 fuel line and hose clamps to splice the sheaths together (making sure you sheaths are as close together inside the fuel line before clamping down).

Cheap, simple and very effective.


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Re: CHEAP Tremec 600 installation pics [Re: CJK440] #15663
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I'm sitting at the table eating a turkey sub and looking at the tremec installation tips that came with my TKO-600 trans. Turns out there are front and mid mount shifters available directly from Tremec. Front mount shifter is #TCKT1960, midmount shifter(good for e-bodies?)is #2671127 and offset? shifter is # 30-17-3X. These should be available from anybody that sells Tremec transmissions.

Re: CHEAP Tremec 600 installation pics [Re: 446acuda] #15664
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Trans: no TKO-600's in stock applications. Closest thing might be a Tremec 3550? used in mustang cobras, i think. Not many used TKO-500 or 600 out there yet so new is really your only choice.Mine is Ford application #5008 w/ 0.64 overdrive ratio. A 0.8X ratio is also available just make sure you get the one for a Ford application since the GM version has a much shorter input shaft and since mopar used the longer input shaft than Ford or GM it really help having the added length of the ford shaft.




If you use the Hayes Chrysler bellhousing with the GM trans pattern you could might move the whole trans forward and make it easier to install. I don't know how much shorter it is than a Chrysler bellhousing and I assume you would need the GM spec trans. I think this bellhousing is designed to enable "GM" super T10s to be used with Chrysler small blocks.

Re: CHEAP Tremec 600 installation pics [Re: RichV] #15665
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What size is the front bearing retainer hole in the Hayes housing?

Re: CHEAP Tremec 600 installation pics [Re: CJK440] #15666
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Hey CJ, do you think if you had used the center shift mount you wouldn't have had to cut the X member? I'm not really scared to do it, but the less metal I'd have to cut the better.

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Hey CJ, do you think if you had used the center shift mount you wouldn't have had to cut the X member? I'm not really scared to do it, but the less metal I'd have to cut the better.




No.

The problem is the aluminum housing the shifter bolts to is still to large so even if you removed the rear shifter and threw a piece of sheet metal over it it would still collide, you would have to machine down the "box" that the shifter bolts to and cover it. However, if you did all that and used the forward conversion kit, the shifter would be way too close to the dash, the rearmost shifter position it is still not as far back as the stock location. Also, the shifter conversion kit isn't cheap.

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What size is the front bearing retainer hole in the Hayes housing?




Lakewood makes that bell.


engine to transmission adapter
These engine to transmission adapters are an excellent choice for street rods, street machines or oval track applications where the use of an SFI approved bellhousing is not required. Made from .250" thick hydro- formed steel, these adapters are much stronger than factory aluminum bellhousings and allow for easier welding of brackets etc. that are usually required when doing engine swaps. NOTE: These engine to transmission adapters are NOT safety bellhousings. They do not include nor accept a block plate and do NOT meet SFI specifications. Fits Chrysler 1964-83 with 273-318-340-360 V-8. Notes: Fits 130-tooth flywheel. Transmission: GM Muncie/Saginaw, Richmond/BW & T-10, and Jerico. Bore Diameter 4.684. Depth 6.312. Fork Opening 2.50 x 3.75.
Part Number: 77-325


The mopar bells are 7.38 deep so it appears by using the conversion bell, you pull the tranny forward about 1". Not sure if thats enough to clear the crossmember in an E body.



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Re: CHEAP Tremec 600 installation pics [Re: 446acuda] #15668
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So neither of you guys are using a Hyd. bearing?

Seems like the easy way to go when swapping from an Auto? How hard is it to adapt the cyl. to the Mopar clutch pedal?

Would I order the one for a Mopar or a Ford?

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Even when using the hydraulic tob kit you still have to mount the clutch pedal, which is more than half the work anyway. All that is left after that is mounting the bellcrank. IMO these hydraulic throwout bearings open up a whole new source of possible problems, leaks, etc where the mechanical linkage is dead reliable and won't leave you stranded on the side of the road which is something to consider if you are really going to drive your car. I also don't like brake fluid that close to my clutch disc. I would use the hyd set up only in a car where there is no room for linkage but I haven't found that so far even with big block A-bodies with 2" TTI/chrysler power headers, ProParts/McCandless/Hensley? 2" headers, 2" tubular automotive or hookers. Might be a good setup for a 440, 4-spd colt?

Re: CHEAP Tremec 600 installation pics [Re: 446acuda] #15670
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My interior is pretty much stripped right now anyway, so all I have to do is pull the wiring, and I learned a cool dash removal tip from Jim Lusk. Dremel the threaded clips on the seam off and install new ones later with the screws facing UP this time.

Should give me easy access to mount stock A Body pedals.

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So neither of you guys are using a Hyd. bearing?





Me neither. Didn't see the need. I was able to use 100% of my existing clutch linkage with the exception of the TO bearing.

Re: CHEAP Tremec 600 installation pics [Re: CJK440] #15672
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Out of the box thinking for cable clutch operation, if a guy was so inclined to go that route.

http://www.ronmorrisperformance.com/03clutch/index.html


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