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Titanium or Tool Steel Retainers for Street/Strip car? #1566696 01/22/14 12:24 AM 01/22/14 12:24 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR Jeremiah OP master
Jeremiah OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR	I am going to run a .750ish lift roller cam and have been doing some research on the supporting hardware. Is there a reason I would run tool steel retainers over titanium on the street? Other reasons I have yet to contemplate? Thank you for any advice or feedback.

Re: Titanium or Tool Steel Retainers for Street/Strip car? [Re: Jeremiah] #1566697 01/22/14 12:34 AM 01/22/14 12:34 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	What I can say is that if the springs have a flat-spring damper between the coils, do NOT run ti retainers on the street. The damper will wear a groove into the retainer.

Re: Titanium or Tool Steel Retainers for Street/Strip car? [Re: BradH] #1566698 01/22/14 01:04 AM 01/22/14 01:04 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,097 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,097 Bend,OR USA	Quote: What I can say is that if the springs have a flat-spring damper between the coils, do NOT run ti retainers on the street. The damper will wear a groove into the retainer. One of my customers in N.Y.(9 seconnd Phil,R.I.P. ) had that happen after 23,000 street and strip miles The inner dampener ate right through the Ti retainer The Ti retainer held the valves in place so he got away with no engine damage Tool steel from then on on any motor that has a inner dampener on the valve springs Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Titanium or Tool Steel Retainers for Street/Strip car? [Re: Jeremiah] #1566699 01/22/14 01:07 AM 01/22/14 01:07 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,989 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,989 Oregon	The new lightweight steel retainers work pretty well and are a lot less expensive than Ti retainers. If you're not spinning it past 7000 rpm then you probably don't need Ti.

Re: Titanium or Tool Steel Retainers for Street/Strip car? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1566700 01/22/14 01:11 AM 01/22/14 01:11 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky justinp61 I Live Here
justinp61 I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky	Ryan J put tool steel retainers on my heads. It was my understanding that theres no much difference in the weight.

Re: Titanium or Tool Steel Retainers for Street/Strip car? [Re: AndyF] #1566701 01/22/14 01:54 AM 01/22/14 01:54 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR Jeremiah OP master
Jeremiah OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR	Quote: The new lightweight steel retainers work pretty well and are a lot less expensive than Ti retainers. If you're not spinning it past 7000 rpm then you probably don't need Ti. Do I hear 7500? going... going....

Re: Titanium or Tool Steel Retainers for Street/Strip car? [Re: Jeremiah] #1566702 01/22/14 02:13 AM 01/22/14 02:13 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,097 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,097 Bend,OR USA	I use to shift the 518 C.I. duster motor at or above 7200 one every run, I did that with both the Ti and tool steel retainers on the Eddy RPM heads No noticeable differences between the two types of retainers Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Titanium or Tool Steel Retainers for Street/Strip car? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1566703 01/22/14 02:19 AM 01/22/14 02:19 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR Jeremiah OP master
Jeremiah OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR	Sold at 7500!!! Thank you Cab!

Re: Titanium or Tool Steel Retainers for Street/Strip car? [Re: Jeremiah] #1566704 01/22/14 03:07 AM 01/22/14 03:07 AM
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ksj master K Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,586 Topeka Kansas	23k miles of street and strip miles.Like everything you have to have maintanence program.

Re: Titanium or Tool Steel Retainers for Street/Strip car? [Re: ksj] #1566705 01/22/14 11:24 AM 01/22/14 11:24 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR Jeremiah OP master
Jeremiah OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR	Quote: 23k miles of street and strip miles.Like everything you have to have maintanence program. Which material if I may ask?

Re: Titanium or Tool Steel Retainers for Street/Strip car? [Re: Jeremiah] #1566706 01/22/14 11:38 AM 01/22/14 11:38 AM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,586 Topeka Kansas K ksj master
ksj master K Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,586 Topeka Kansas	See Cab's reply.

Re: Titanium or Tool Steel Retainers for Street/Strip car? [Re: ksj] #1566707 01/22/14 12:01 PM 01/22/14 12:01 PM
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roadhazard master Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,675 Akron, Ohio U.S.A.	I'm quite happy with my tool steel retainers FWIW

Re: Titanium or Tool Steel Retainers for Street/Strip car? [Re: Jeremiah] #1566708 01/22/14 01:59 PM 01/22/14 01:59 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion T Thumperdart I Live Here
Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion	I`m going on 13+ years with TI retainers and they`re fine and WAY lighter than standard tool steel units. The key is in spring prep and I detail all of the sharp edges on the springs so all the sharp edges are gone............ 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: Titanium or Tool Steel Retainers for Street/Strip car? [Re: BradH] #1566709 01/22/14 02:50 PM 01/22/14 02:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Quote: What I can say is that if the springs have a flat-spring damper between the coils, do NOT run ti retainers on the street. The damper will wear a groove into the retainer. FWIW, my ti retainers had maybe 5K worth of street & strip time when I inspected them and found the damage from the dampers. Not sure how prepping the ends of the dampers would have made much difference since they're going to be rubbing up against the underside of the retainer regardless. I just make it a rule of thumb to not use ti retainers w/ that style of spring as the result, especially because I know I'm not the only person who has experienced this. I've no problems w/ ti retainers on the street w/o flat-spring dampers and will be running new ti parts w/ the PAC springs Dwayne provided me for use w/ my .650" roller cam.

Re: Titanium or Tool Steel Retainers for Street/Strip car? [Re: BradH] #1566710 01/22/14 03:18 PM 01/22/14 03:18 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion T Thumperdart I Live Here
Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion	As far as "gouging" the retainers, it helps to remove sharp edges and learned that at Pettis years ago. As far as "wear marks" even steel gets em from my experience............ 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

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