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Wheelie Bar setup #1565510 01/19/14 04:31 PM 01/19/14 04:31 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA Jeepmon OP master
Jeepmon OP master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA	We're in the process of fab'ing up a set of wheelie bars and need to know where to set the wheels initially... I've noticed that once the bars are in place, we'll have approx. 2" of adjustment, but where should we start at? The car is a 3000lb Duster, ladder bar, big tire car which has a 1.2x 60' and 151 mph. One set of instructions says 3.5" - 4" off the ground, however a veteran racer says his are set at 6+"... So any advice given is appreciated.. Thanks 73 Duster 360 stroker http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2594657

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: Jeepmon] #1565511 01/19/14 04:48 PM 01/19/14 04:48 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Being a ladder bar car I would set the mid travel at about 4"..ladder bar cars tend to rotate a fair bit.. also are you talking the bottom of the wheel or the center line of the axle EDIT Also what style is it... with the springs or solid but I was referring to the bottom of the wheel... but When I set them at the track I measure to the axle Last edited by MR_P_BODY; 01/19/14 04:55 PM.

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1565512 01/19/14 04:54 PM 01/19/14 04:54 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA Jeepmon OP master
Jeepmon OP master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA	I'll set it for what ever it needs to be, as I have zero experience and this is my first time dealing with wheelie bars.. I'm pretty sure we have it tacked into place at 5" right now, measured at center of wheel and the adjusters are also centered.. 73 Duster 360 stroker http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2594657

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: Jeepmon] #1565513 01/19/14 05:08 PM 01/19/14 05:08 PM
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 369 California, USA!!! W WheelsUp73 enthusiast
WheelsUp73 enthusiast W Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 369 California, USA!!!	Set em up just like this.lol I have a personal question...How long is your wheelie bar? lol http://youtu.be/rjDy72oOwoc Last edited by WheelsUp73; 01/19/14 05:22 PM. http://youtu.be/fAP_2rxz_GA

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: Jeepmon] #1565514 01/19/14 06:24 PM 01/19/14 06:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,985 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart master
gregsdart master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,985 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	When and where do you plan to test? If I am close, it would be fun to come watch. 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: WheelsUp73] #1565515 01/19/14 06:26 PM 01/19/14 06:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,762 Hot Rod Ridge FastmOp master
FastmOp master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,762 Hot Rod Ridge	3.5 to 4 inches to the bottom of the wheelie wheel on the junk I mess with.

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: FastmOp] #1565516 01/19/14 06:56 PM 01/19/14 06:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,985 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart master
gregsdart master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,985 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	I have mine (66 inch long, ladderbars) about 6 inch up. Left side wanted to be 1/4 inch higher. It is important to make sure the wheeliebars aren't steering the car ,compensating for the wrong suspension adjustments. I have an anti roll. 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: gregsdart] #1565517 01/20/14 01:07 AM 01/20/14 01:07 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA Jeepmon OP master
Jeepmon OP master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA	Thank you all for your advice.. The bars are 60" long and we ended up getting them at 6" off the ground, at the center of the wheel. We also lifted the front end of the car to simulate the max height we want on the launch and it appears as the 6" is pretty darn close.. So if my shoulder heals up a little during this next week, we'll be testing at Sonoma next Sunday.. Thanks again everyone 73 Duster 360 stroker http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2594657

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: Jeepmon] #1565518 01/20/14 01:46 AM 01/20/14 01:46 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,358 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,358 Las Vegas	Lifting the front while is sounds cool really don't get ya close. Mainly due to the rear separation. Remember first move the suspension will make will be to slam those bars into the ground. Especially on a ladder bar car with those shocks. As I said a ladder bar will separate a good deal so I would start with a higher number initially. If you need to you can always go shorter later but in my experience you will be fine with them at 6 to start. "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: Al_Alguire] #1565519 01/20/14 02:11 AM 01/20/14 02:11 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,422 Pittsburgh PA Eric top fuel
Eric top fuel Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,422 Pittsburgh PA	This is at about 4"... 8004736-Arrowrichmond.jpg (220 downloads) 5.53 @ 125 1/8th on the launch control..more left in her!

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: Eric] #1565520 01/20/14 02:13 AM 01/20/14 02:13 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA Jeepmon OP master
Jeepmon OP master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA	Quote: This is at about 4"... Is that a Ladder bar set up??? 73 Duster 360 stroker http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2594657

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: Al_Alguire] #1565521 01/20/14 02:13 AM 01/20/14 02:13 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA Jeepmon OP master
Jeepmon OP master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA	Quote: Lifting the front while is sounds cool really don't get ya close. Mainly due to the rear separation. Remember first move the suspension will make will be to slam those bars into the ground. Especially on a ladder bar car with those shocks. As I said a ladder bar will separate a good deal so I would start with a higher number initially. If you need to you can always go shorter later but in my experience you will be fine with them at 6 to start. I can move the bars to the top hole and that gives about 10" clearance 73 Duster 360 stroker http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2594657

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: Jeepmon] #1565522 01/20/14 02:15 AM 01/20/14 02:15 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,422 Pittsburgh PA Eric top fuel
Eric top fuel Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,422 Pittsburgh PA	Quote: Quote: This is at about 4"... Is that a Ladder bar set up??? 4-link 5.53 @ 125 1/8th on the launch control..more left in her!

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: Eric] #1565523 01/20/14 02:16 AM 01/20/14 02:16 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA Jeepmon OP master
Jeepmon OP master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA	Thanks Eric 73 Duster 360 stroker http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2594657

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: Jeepmon] #1565524 01/20/14 01:32 PM 01/20/14 01:32 PM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA B G Racing master
B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	With that length of bar the front end travel will help determine the height, we would suggest setting the adjustment in it's center travel and set the bars 4 to 6 inches from the bottom of the wheel to the ground.You can always modify the adjusters for additional adjustment.This is for spring loaded bars,solid bars should be set at aprox.4 inches or less. Final adjustment needs to be done at the track. [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: B G Racing] #1565525 01/20/14 02:27 PM 01/20/14 02:27 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA Jeepmon OP master
Jeepmon OP master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA	Thanks Bob... The one thing I forgot to add is its solid bars... no springs.. 73 Duster 360 stroker http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2594657

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: Jeepmon] #1565526 01/20/14 02:49 PM 01/20/14 02:49 PM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA B G Racing master
B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	Quote: Thanks Bob... The one thing I forgot to add is its solid bars... no springs.. Solid bars should be set at or before full front suspension travel.If they are set too high and hit real hard they may unload the rear tires.We like the spring loaded bars on a backhalved stock front suspension car or a short wheelbase chassis car.If you like big wheelstands use the sprung bars and they soften the hit and allow you to "hang em high" with out unloading the slicks. [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: B G Racing] #1565527 01/20/14 03:03 PM 01/20/14 03:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,358 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,358 Las Vegas	Short(60")sprung bar at 4" and 4.5" Long(74")solid bar at 6 and 6.5 "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: Jeepmon] #1565528 01/20/14 04:20 PM 01/20/14 04:20 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Sounds like you have the Duster working rather well. Seems you think you may have a problem, otherwise you wouldn't have gone to the trouble of putting on the bars. What do you want the bars to do? Limit the front rise? Safety device? Remember if the bars are too low and hit the solid wheeliebars hard you can unload the rear tires.

Re: Wheelie Bar setup [Re: ] #1565529 01/20/14 04:37 PM 01/20/14 04:37 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio dartman366 I Live Here
dartman366 I Live Here Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio	When I added bars to mine several years ago, I added them for one reason,,,,,"just in case",, I was told by several chassis people to never put them on to use them as a tuning aid, I have since had the chassis tuned in to work, not to impress the crowd,(not saying you are) but in the beginning I was glad they were there as I think they saved me some repair on my front suspension just to add to this post mine are set at 4" from the bottom of the wheel to the surface, and by being there the car lifts just enough to skim the shoe polish off of them. Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.

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