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Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1561213
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thanks for the advice just was a idea floating around in my head and i wont be doing it i guess this year the car will hope fully get the body painted thanks for the advice

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: bigblockbryan] #1561214
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Find you a mid 80's Dodge pick up with the 833OD in it They made a gazillion of them with /6 in front of them so they aren't beat up and they have the correct length tail shaft so it's a slam dunk for a B-body. I've heard that they had the iron case too so you avoid or at least reduce the countershaft issue the aluminum case has.

A guy local to me has one in a Hemi Roadrunner (real one) that he has made several 3000 mile road trips with. As long as you treat the OD with some respect it will serve you well. Hemi + 15+ MPG = Life is good!

Kevin

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: Twostick] #1561215
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Find you a mid 80's Dodge pick up with the 833OD in it They made a gazillion of them with /6 in front of them so they aren't beat up and they have the correct length tail shaft so it's a slam dunk for a B-body. I've heard that they had the iron case too so you avoid or at least reduce the countershaft issue the aluminum case has.
Kevin




You heard....

I have three of them, none of which have an iron case.


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Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: Supercuda] #1561216
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Find you a mid 80's Dodge pick up with the 833OD in it They made a gazillion of them with /6 in front of them so they aren't beat up and they have the correct length tail shaft so it's a slam dunk for a B-body. I've heard that they had the iron case too so you avoid or at least reduce the countershaft issue the aluminum case has.
Kevin




You heard....

I have three of them, none of which have an iron case.




Well I thought I heard it here.

Maybe some early ones got iron cases that were left over from when they quit building the regular 833?

In any case I think even if you had a machine shop bush the aluminum case, you would still have a pretty cheap bolt in OD.

Kevin

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: Twostick] #1561217
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I think you are confusing iron tailshaft for iron case. All of the ones I have are iron tailshaft, aluminum case. Not sure why they went that route myself.

If the OP is looking for a weak 5 speed to blow up behind a 440 consider an NP535/NV2500, at least the hack to make it fit will be minimal.


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Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: Supercuda] #1561218
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I've seen a few iron case units, a friend of mine has one and won't

sell it to me.. it's been sitting on the shelf since 1992.

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: Dan Halen] #1561219
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The only IRON cased OD 833s I've seen are A/F body versions.

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: Twostick] #1561220
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In any case I think even if you had a machine shop bush the aluminum case, you would still have a pretty cheap bolt in OD.

Kevin




not by the time you add up the $ cost of all the small parts to make it happen.

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1561221
01/15/14 03:59 AM
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In any case I think even if you had a machine shop bush the aluminum case, you would still have a pretty cheap bolt in OD.

Kevin




not by the time you add up the $ cost of all the small parts to make it happen.




I'm not sure I follow.

A rebuild kit from Brewer's is less than $200. You can buy the OD833 all day long for $150-$200 sometimes much less. The only extra cost here is to bush the case which I can't imagine would be more than 2-3 hours tops and most of that to set up the machine. The OD833 is pretty much half the price of a T5 so that goes a long way to pay for the case fix.

All the other so called bolt in options with the exception of 1 vendor don't bolt in and they all cost thousand$ some of them many thousand$.

If you do your own labour you should be able to have a fresh rebuilt trans in the car for around $500-$600 plus whatever it cost to fix the case. If you have to pay somebody I think you still have the trans all new in the car for $1500 +/-, case fix and all. Doesn't sound cheap but compared to the others I think it is and it BOLTS in.

Kevin

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: Twostick] #1561222
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A T5 is definately not strong enough for your application. It's also not a bolt in. So for the work involved it's not a winner.

833 with od has terrible ratios for any spirited driving. Wide spread between gears and it's still and external linkage.

T56 is a great transmission. Ratios are perfect. Deep overdrive. Internal shift linkage that will feel the same after 15 years. Strong transmission but will require fabrication to install. It's also the best shift quality of all the transmissions considered.


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Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: Magnum] #1561223
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Do you know what falls out of the south end of a north bound mule? This statement:


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833 with od has terrible ratios for any spirited driving. Wide spread between gears and it's still and external linkage.




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Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: Twostick] #1561224
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In any case I think even if you had a machine shop bush the aluminum case, you would still have a pretty cheap bolt in OD.

Kevin




not by the time you add up the $ cost of all the small parts to make it happen.




I'm not sure I follow.

A rebuild kit from Brewer's is less than $200. You can buy the OD833 all day long for $150-$200 sometimes much less. The only extra cost here is to bush the case which I can't imagine would be more than 2-3 hours tops and most of that to set up the machine. The OD833 is pretty much half the price of a T5 so that goes a long way to pay for the case fix.

All the other so called bolt in options with the exception of 1 vendor don't bolt in and they all cost thousand$ some of them many thousand$.

If you do your own labour you should be able to have a fresh rebuilt trans in the car for around $500-$600 plus whatever it cost to fix the case. If you have to pay somebody I think you still have the trans all new in the car for $1500 +/-, case fix and all. Doesn't sound cheap but compared to the others I think it is and it BOLTS in.

Kevin




by the time you buy a big block bellhousing and a factory clutch pedal, z bar and clutch linkage with new pivots you've already hit 500 bucks. add in the buy in price for the trans, shifter, shift handle, shift linkage, trans rebuild and case bushing, clutch and flywheel, floor hump, new rug for 4sp, you're already at over 1500 in parts probably closer to 2 grand. go price that stuff out. if you have a b body or e body especially that stuff is not cheap! been there, sold my od833 before I put it in because for not that much more money I could have a much nicer od trans. if you already had an 833 in your car sure ya go for it. if you're switching from an auto, not worth it imo. only nice thing about it is it bolts right in.

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1561225
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FYI old farts, he said late 90s mustang... which used T-45 transmissions not T-5... different trans, way stronger.

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: CokeBottleKid] #1561226
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I'm in the middle of swaping an 833-OD into a 64 D100 Sweptline my boys are building. It already has manual pedals in it and a Friend gave me the 4 speed OD for free.

Here's what I've projected (some parts I've already purchased) in costs so far even with a free no rebuild trans:

BB bellhousing (shipped): $300+
Fly wheel:$150+
Used truck Shifter:$65
Shift rods:$75
Clutch setup: $200

That's already $890...still a shift boot too. Maybe I'm forgetting something too....and I got a free trans and a truck already setup with pedals that I HOPE is good to go.

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Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: Supercuda] #1561227
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Do you know what falls out of the south end of a north bound mule? This statement:


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833 with od has terrible ratios for any spirited driving. Wide spread between gears and it's still and external linkage.







Ok I will rephase. Wide ratio tranmsissions give you low starting gears and high cruising gears. With a limited number of gears, like 4. You get big rpm drops between gears. Not ideal for high performance cars. Hence, modern cars have 5, 6, 8 speed transmissions.

As for external linkage. If EVERYTHING is better than brand new. It may work pretty good for about a year. Then a few thou slop in the arm, a couple thou in the shift rod and next thing you know you have half an inch of slop at the shifter handle.

An internal rail transmission will feel the same after 10 years.


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Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: Magnum] #1561228
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a regular t5 wont stand up behind a stock mustang what makes you think that will hold up to a car that is probably at least 500 lbs heavier?

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: Magnum] #1561229
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Do you know what falls out of the south end of a north bound mule? This statement:


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833 with od has terrible ratios for any spirited driving. Wide spread between gears and it's still and external linkage.







Ok I will rephase. Wide ratio tranmsissions give you low starting gears and high cruising gears. With a limited number of gears, like 4. You get big rpm drops between gears. Not ideal for high performance cars. Hence, modern cars have 5, 6, 8 speed transmissions.

As for external linkage. If EVERYTHING is better than brand new. It may work pretty good for about a year. Then a few thou slop in the arm, a couple thou in the shift rod and next thing you know you have half an inch of slop at the shifter handle.

An internal rail transmission will feel the same after 10 years.




If you define "high performance" as no torque then yeah it's an issue. And a hurst pitpack fixed your sloppy blues simply and easily.

At least with the A833 there is no fitment issues unlike other so called no hassle fits.


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Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1561230
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In any case I think even if you had a machine shop bush the aluminum case, you would still have a pretty cheap bolt in OD.

Kevin




not by the time you add up the $ cost of all the small parts to make it happen.




I'm not sure I follow.

A rebuild kit from Brewer's is less than $200. You can buy the OD833 all day long for $150-$200 sometimes much less. The only extra cost here is to bush the case which I can't imagine would be more than 2-3 hours tops and most of that to set up the machine. The OD833 is pretty much half the price of a T5 so that goes a long way to pay for the case fix.

All the other so called bolt in options with the exception of 1 vendor don't bolt in and they all cost thousand$ some of them many thousand$.

If you do your own labour you should be able to have a fresh rebuilt trans in the car for around $500-$600 plus whatever it cost to fix the case. If you have to pay somebody I think you still have the trans all new in the car for $1500 +/-, case fix and all. Doesn't sound cheap but compared to the others I think it is and it BOLTS in.

Kevin




by the time you buy a big block bellhousing and a factory clutch pedal, z bar and clutch linkage with new pivots you've already hit 500 bucks. add in the buy in price for the trans, shifter, shift handle, shift linkage, trans rebuild and case bushing, clutch and flywheel, floor hump, new rug for 4sp, you're already at over 1500 in parts probably closer to 2 grand. go price that stuff out. if you have a b body or e body especially that stuff is not cheap! been there, sold my od833 before I put it in because for not that much more money I could have a much nicer od trans. if you already had an 833 in your car sure ya go for it. if you're switching from an auto, not worth it imo. only nice thing about it is it bolts right in.




Unless I misunderstood the original post the OP's car is already a 4spd because he talks about the only thing he needs to put in the T5 is an adapter plate.

Kevin

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