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mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? #1561193
01/09/14 06:37 PM
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okay the other day i was thinking why dont i just get a adapter plate made to run a mustang 5speed in my super bee project. Like outta late 90s mustang that would be found behind 4.6 or 5.0 i know there will be alot of people that will hate the idea i just want to know if it'll hold. Diesel guys are doing this cummins conversions i think itd be a great alternative to cheap 5 speed i know the plate will cost somthing to have made but i have a friend with a machine shop and said hed be willing to do it.

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: bigblockbryan] #1561194
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In stock form it absolutely will not hold up for long behind any big block MoPar, especially in a B body, even with bias ply F70s, unless you drive it like a limo


Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: GTX MATT] #1561195
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whys is that because my motors are notheing too crazy just mild 440 is bored 30 over mp electronic igntion 10.5.1 comp 452 heads dual plane intake holly 750 dp

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: bigblockbryan] #1561196
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Personally I wouldn't do it. The T5 has a pretty low torque rating. The biggest plus about a T5 is the fact that they are abundant and fairly cheap. Parts are also readily available. I've gone through two of them in my six cyl. Mustang and they are barely OK there. They tend to be "notchy" and sychros aren't the best even with granny shifting. No doubt they can be made better as some Mustang racers have successfully used them. I believe the drag racers remove 5th. gear to reduce rotating weight. You would probably have to do some modifications to the tailhousing and or the transmission tunnel of the car to make it fit. I have a Tremec TKO in my 'Cuda which is very similar in design and size & shape. Both the tailhousing and the tunnel are modified in order to get it to fit. The TKO is much stronger and shifts much better than the T5's I driven. While the TKO is big improvement over the T5, a good fresh 833 with a properly adjusted Hurst shifter is still faster shifting. The best I can say is that a T5 would be a relatively cheap way to get overdrive IF you able and willing to do the work to make it fit. Of course an overdrive 833 would be the easiest to do if you can find one at reasonable cost.

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: bigblockbryan] #1561197
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The T-5 has a maximum torque capacity of 265 ft. lbs. or 310 ft. lbs. depending on whether it's the early or late version. A bone stock 440 is rated at 480 ft. lbs.

If you want a 5-speed of that style the TKO500 or TKO600 is the way to go.


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Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: John_Kunkel] #1561198
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Yep, tremec TKO is the way to go. I couldn't keep t5's behind a mild 302 in a 3300 pound car.


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Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: 68-scatpack-rt] #1561199
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I ripped the teeth off of third gear too many times to count in my 86 GT equipped with a T-5. I will guarantee you will do the same behind a totally stock 440 the first time you try to power-shift it. Dont do it. If you choose to, this -> will lead to this ->

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Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: 71yelladustr] #1561200
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You'd blow it up the 1st hard drop. Not to mention the and to get it to fit. I'd just go w/ a new Brewer 4 speed w/ OD if I were you.


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Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: bigblockbryan] #1561201
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whys is that because my motors are notheing too crazy just mild 440 is bored 30 over mp electronic igntion 10.5.1 comp 452 heads dual plane intake holly 750 dp




I declined to reply because I thought you were joking, guess I was wrong?


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Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: jcc] #1561202
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Another vote for the $100.00 overdrive: A833od

That 440 will eat up those wide ratios, heck I have one behind a 318 2bbl in my beater and the gear spreads don't bother it at all.


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Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: Grizzly] #1561203
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Everything I've read indicates that the T5 is just not up to the task.

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1561204
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my son has a 5.0 stang with a t5 and he beats the snot out of it. the tranny held up fine for over a week.then he put a TKO in it and his blues were over he has been beatin on this thing for over a year and he,s only on tranny # 3

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: bonefish] #1561205
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Go with a T56 transmission...

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: bigblockbryan] #1561206
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whys is that because my motors are notheing too crazy just mild 440 is bored 30 over mp electronic igntion 10.5.1 comp 452 heads dual plane intake holly 750 dp




Bryan its just not a very strong tranny. 5.0s don't make much torque in stock form, and they're relatively light compared to a B body. The foxbodys in the mid 13s start having issues with them from the guys who drag race and beat them. TKOs are pretty strong, but they're expensive. IMO its hard to beat the 833, but of course theres no OD on the standard 833.


Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: 1972CudaV21] #1561207
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Go with a T56 transmission...




some serious floor work to get a t56 in

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: bonefish] #1561208
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Quote:

my son has a 5.0 stang with a t5 and he beats the snot out of it. the tranny held up fine for over a week.then he put a TKO in it and his blues were over he has been beatin on this thing for over a year and he,s only on tranny # 3




There ya go, proof positive it will work. Can't go wrong with a recommendation like that!


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Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: bigblockbryan] #1561209
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If you can afford it and you're not in a big hurry I would look into the new 855 transmission offered by Jamie Passion. It should fit without any modifications and is supposed to be plenty strong. Also made in the USA which I think is a plus. Ten years ago when I was putting my 'Cuda together the Keisler Tremec TKO conversion was the only practical overdrive option available. I certainly don't have any regrets for going that way since I would have had to wait a decade just to get on the 855 waiting list. At my age a decade is definitely too long to wait. If I was doing it today the 855 would be my first choice.

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: bigblockbryan] #1561210
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I'd bet a Big Mac meal that the OP is looking for a cheap solution.

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: Kern Dog] #1561211
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I suspect that you're probably right about the OP wanting to keep the cost down. I don't like to spend more than necessary either. Still he's talking about a Super Bee which if it's a decent car deserves a quality job. Quality and cheap seldom go together.

Re: mustang 5 speed behind mopar 440? [Re: 5spdcuda] #1561212
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If you can afford it and you're not in a big hurry I would look into the new 855 transmission offered by Jamie Passion





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