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sub frame connertors #1560430 01/07/14 04:08 PM 01/07/14 04:08 PM
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 440 Canada D Dons Dart OP mopar
Dons Dart OP mopar D Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 440 Canada	Hi just bought some mopar sub frame connectors for my 69 DART,looking for tips and advice on how to install them.some say put the car on jack stands, level and thats it others say its better with the suspension loaded.

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: Dons Dart] #1560431 01/07/14 04:10 PM 01/07/14 04:10 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation dOc ! The village idiot's idiot
dOc ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation	Which type of connectors ? ...TO the floor or THROUGH THE floor ?

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: dOc !] #1560432 01/07/14 04:15 PM 01/07/14 04:15 PM
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 440 Canada D Dons Dart OP mopar
Dons Dart OP mopar D Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 440 Canada	They don't go through the floor p# 4876658.

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: Dons Dart] #1560433 01/07/14 04:19 PM 01/07/14 04:19 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation dOc ! The village idiot's idiot
dOc ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation	IMO .... to the floor are not nearly as effective as the THROUGH THE FLOOR type are ...

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: dOc !] #1560434 01/07/14 07:35 PM 01/07/14 07:35 PM
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,520 West Palm Beach, Florida Copper Dart pro stock
Copper Dart pro stock Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,520 West Palm Beach, Florida	PM Not needed. those are BOLT in connectors. ricky Last edited by Copper Dart; 01/08/14 01:04 AM. Common sense, the least common of all the senses. Mom. For fear of ridicule, society stifles creativity. Ricky Valdes

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: Copper Dart] #1560435 01/07/14 07:40 PM 01/07/14 07:40 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation dOc ! The village idiot's idiot
dOc ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation	...the bolt-on connectors are even WORSEless ...IMO... vs the others.

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: dOc !] #1560436 01/07/14 09:01 PM 01/07/14 09:01 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,695 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,695 Bitopia	Not sure i would say "worthless", but I would say they (typical bolt in style) are not worth the effort/time/cost. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: Dons Dart] #1560437 01/07/14 10:00 PM 01/07/14 10:00 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 245 Western PA O OldMoparMan enthusiast
OldMoparMan enthusiast O Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 245 Western PA	I built my own out of 2 X 4 tubing and welded them directly to the front and rear sub frames, they don't touch the floor anywhere in the middle but I can jack up the car at the front or back weld spot and lift the whole side of the car. The car handles corners much better now rides real nice. So if you can weld them in place with the car setting on the suspension and weight on the drivers seat. Living with ALS help support the search for a cure Thanks http://web.alsa.org/site/TR/Walks/WesternPennsylvania?team_id=347781&pg=team&fr_id=12069

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: dOc !] #1560438 01/07/14 10:04 PM 01/07/14 10:04 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,941 WI Dcuda69 master
Dcuda69 master Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,941 WI	Whatever....this topic comes up on every board. Here's what I think..take it or leave it. Unless you're racing the car(drag or road coarse)ANY frame connector is a HUGE improvement! I built mine(no they don't go through the floor) and welded them. They made a huge improvement in ride and handling quality. Eliminated many squeaks and rattles too! Mine is just a street car but it feels a lot tighter,more responsive. If you have these connectors and it's a street toy....get it on a drive on style hoist with the weight on the wheels, bolt them on..then weld them up! You will be happy with the results! If this is a race car...think about something that connects/goes through the floor for maximum effectiveness

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: OldMoparMan] #1560439 01/07/14 10:06 PM 01/07/14 10:06 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,320 Lees Summit, MO BrianT pro stock
BrianT pro stock Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,320 Lees Summit, MO	I agree. I bought the MP bolt in connectors but welded them in instead. I can lift the whole side by lifting the front or back sub frame. The car handles 100 percent better. No more twisting and turning on curvy roads. One of the best investments I've made on my Dart. 1970 Duster 340 clone

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: OldMoparMan] #1560440 01/07/14 10:09 PM 01/07/14 10:09 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,048 Back home in PA B BulletBob master
BulletBob master B Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,048 Back home in PA	Quote: I built my own out of 2 X 4 tubing and welded them directly to the front and rear sub frames, they don't touch the floor anywhere in the middle but I can jack up the car at the front or back weld spot and lift the whole side of the car. The car handles corners much better now rides real nice. So if you can weld them in place with the car setting on the suspension and weight on the drivers seat. Been doing them that way for years! Mopar Ford & GM I sit the car on pieces of railroad cross tie & stack concrete blocks the simulate driver weight in the seat

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: BulletBob] #1560441 01/07/14 10:11 PM 01/07/14 10:11 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,048 Back home in PA B BulletBob master
BulletBob master B Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,048 Back home in PA	The only real subframe connectors bolt in with .035 wire & go through the floor

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: Dons Dart] #1560442 01/08/14 12:59 AM 01/08/14 12:59 AM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,374 Rancho Cordova, CA Exit1965 master
Exit1965 master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,374 Rancho Cordova, CA	I made mine (67 Dart) with I believe 1.5x3" thick wall rectangular tubing, notched for the back of course. It fit the frame rail perfectly, and butts up against the front frame. The parking brake cable required some filing of the connector, but no big deal. And yes I can lift the car with it etc.

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: Exit1965] #1560443 01/08/14 02:01 AM 01/08/14 02:01 AM
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70AARcuda master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,826 las vegas	http://www.tirebusiness.com/article/2013...nhra-pro-levels nice article with pictures.. Tony 70 AARCuda Vitamin C 71 Dart Swinger 360 10.318 @ 128.22(10-04-14 Bakersfield) 71 Demon 360 10.666 @122.41 (01-29-17 @ Las Vegas) 71 Duster 408 (10.29 @ 127.86 3/16/19 Las Vegas)

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: Dcuda69] #1560444 01/08/14 04:41 AM 01/08/14 04:41 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	Quote: Whatever....this topic comes up on every board. Here's what I think..take it or leave it. Unless you're racing the car(drag or road coarse)ANY frame connector is a HUGE improvement! I built mine(no they don't go through the floor) and welded them. They made a huge improvement in ride and handling quality. Eliminated many squeaks and rattles too! Mine is just a street car but it feels a lot tighter,more responsive. If you have these connectors and it's a street toy....get it on a drive on style hoist with the weight on the wheels, bolt them on..then weld them up! You will be happy with the results! If this is a race car...think about something that connects/goes through the floor for maximum effectiveness I agree with this. Mine dont go thru the floor so I bolted them in place and then welded them. And I have a 6 point rollbar welded in overtop the unibody frame. But I do race once or twice a year. Ron Last edited by 383man; 01/08/14 04:44 AM.

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: 383man] #1560445 01/08/14 12:03 PM 01/08/14 12:03 PM
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 440 Canada D Dons Dart OP mopar
Dons Dart OP mopar D Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 440 Canada	Ok good thoughts I do plan on having them welded in the summer,plan to do the bolt on now,i i know some of you don't like the mp bolt on but i am old school look.so what is the diff doing it on jack stands vs with the suspension loaded i realty want to do this at home over the winter.

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: Dons Dart] #1560446 01/08/14 12:05 PM 01/08/14 12:05 PM
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 440 Canada D Dons Dart OP mopar
Dons Dart OP mopar D Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 440 Canada	Quote: Ok good thoughts I do plan on having them welded in the summer,plan to do the bolt on now,i i know some of you don't like the mp bolt on but i am old school look.so what is the diff doing it on jack stands vs with the suspension loaded i realty want to do this at home over the winter. ya its just a street toy

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: Dons Dart] #1560447 01/08/14 12:42 PM 01/08/14 12:42 PM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,009 Sac, CA M mopowers master
mopowers master M Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,009 Sac, CA	As long as the panels line up and doors open smoothly, bolt em up and call it good. It'll be worlds better than stock. Then when you have time, burn em in. Don't let people scare you. You've already got them. Use them!!

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: mopowers] #1560448 01/08/14 12:48 PM 01/08/14 12:48 PM
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 440 Canada D Dons Dart OP mopar
Dons Dart OP mopar D Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 440 Canada	Quote: As long as the panels line up and doors open smoothly, bolt em up and call it good. It'll be worlds better than stock. Then when you have time, burn em in. Don't let people scare you. You've already got them. Use them!! thanks.

Re: sub frame connertors [Re: BrianT] #1560449 01/08/14 01:05 PM 01/08/14 01:05 PM
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 440 Canada D Dons Dart OP mopar
Dons Dart OP mopar D Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 440 Canada	Quote: I agree. I bought the MP bolt in connectors but welded them in instead. I can lift the whole side by lifting the front or back sub frame. The car handles 100 percent better. No more twisting and turning on curvy roads. One of the best investments I've made on my Dart. Brian how did you do your install on a drive on lift or on jack stands?

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