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Re: 318 small block build recomendations [Re: The Sphinx] #154953
11/20/10 03:49 PM
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I built a 318/390 stroker for my Charger and I must say that its a blast.
8 lbs. lost on the rotating assembly makes it rev so fast you really have to watch the tach closely.

Re: 318 small block build recomendations [Re: 1BAD68] #154954
11/20/10 09:04 PM
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Well seeing as we've completely left the track here how about this one? 318 Poly block bored .125 with the above mentioned 4" crank for 420+cubes and magnum heads etc. Now you have some torque! There is a post on here https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=0#Post6310954 from a guy with a 67 Belvedere that can't give his orig poly away. Free or almost free is a good start for a project.

Kevin

Re: 318 small block build recomendations [Re: The Sphinx] #154955
11/20/10 10:02 PM
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So Heres my I have seen everywalk of engine out perform another in some shape form or fashion. 383's are considered the "best" because you can build them from the beer can collection out back. Cam it up some a 292 does good on the street and strip its more less a midground of performance and affordability to cruise and not have to carry a can of fuel with you. Drop a matched intake and carb to it as well as a stall. This should add a good enough thump/set you back in the seat for a "street Sleeper" its quick simple and reasonably cheap. Guy ran at George Rays wildcat Dragstrip for years as the 8.0 champ 1/8th mile ran small blocks with that smae setup and 3 on the tree and he was the man to beat. The only thing that would be noticable from the outside is the intake which can be painted to match the block and be harder to tell.

Re: 318 small block build recomendations [Re: derekeh] #154956
11/21/10 03:22 PM
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I agree, not many people complain about the Ford 289, and definitely not the infamous 302. Mopar guys tend to trash the 318 pretty quick.




Why would that be Goody?

Tell us what engineering difference there is between the 302 and the 318 that makes the 302 a better performance engine?

Do you even know?




I would like to know the answer to this please.




Larger bore. It is a proven fact that a head on a 4" bore will flow more that the same head on a 3.91" bore. More equals more HP, period.

Smaller package. The 302 became a popular performance engine, for the most part, in the 5.0 age. If those guys could have easily fit the larger 351 in the Fox Stang they would have run it instead.

The 302 has a really small stroke, compared to a 318, so it's a high winder. If you wind it up high enough HP numbers look good, but area under the curve is poor. A 4" crank in a 318 is undersquare, not really a good thing, imo.


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They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
Re: 318 small block build recomendations [Re: Supercuda] #154957
11/21/10 07:34 PM
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You can run much longer rods in a 318 than a 302. Factory heads flow just as good, 318 magnum heads flow better than almost any factory 302 heads even on a smaller bore. I have seen a few tests compareing same heads on a 3.91 and 4.0 bore and the flow is almost identicle even with a 2.02 valve, factory magnum heads flow the exact same on a both bores. Also because of the taller deck a 318 has more room between the banks for better intake desighns. The bigger crank case allows for a 4 inch stroke with out clearancing anything and even a 4.25 with very little clearancing with the right rods, try that in a 302
Personally I like the longest stroke I can fit but I will say that in a drag type engine the stroke does not matter much if you don't mind winding up the smaller motor and finding the right gear and converter, the longer stroke just makes it easier to run the number and is more forgiving of the wrong gear and vert.

The 318 just never came as a performance motor, even the cop motors were a complete joke because of the 7 to one compression, because of that they got a stigma they never could shake. The 4bbl motor only made like 10 more HP than a 2bbl, just adding a 4bbl should have added more than that but they insisted on adding heads that killed the power in the name of emmissions .


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Re: 318 small block build recomendations [Re: HotRodDave] #154958
11/22/10 01:05 AM
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@ HOt Rod Dave what dual plane intake 4bbl will work on the Magnum and clear the Magnum acessories?


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Re: 318 small block build recomendations [Re: Bzzzz] #154959
11/22/10 07:28 AM
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1 - Re the "cheap crank" - I run a Cast Eagle in my 12 sec 390 - So far no issues but I had to index it plenty and the casting was pretty average. I'd use a forged MP or SCAT crank next time.

2 - Re the "merit" of building a 390 - they make way more ftlbs than an = 360, so for an E Body they make sense.

Be prepared to sink some $$ into the heads however....they really need to flow 250 @.550 minimum.

3 - Re - the comparison with a BB - the SB strokers buzz up so fast - they're making max torque way quicker than a std stroke 440 with the same cam - thats the beauty of them.

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