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Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1543334 12/12/13 11:13 PM 12/12/13 11:13 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	Quote: Quote: I have a 88-440 truck and waiting on the down time to swap the whiplash cam into the 440. I swaped in the 318 whiplash roller cam for the magnum engine in the stock JY 91 pre-mag #302 headed 318. sounds nasty and works in my 85 stepside. has a lot of lowend torque and great throttle responce. woke it right up. I am in the middle of swaping a NV4500 5 speed into the stepside behind the whiplash roller 318 now. then the 440 truck is up for a freshin up with a set of 452 heads/headers. heck, just the edelbroke RPM intake/edelbroke q-jet woke the 78 lopo smogger 440 up in the 88 truck with a 727/3.91sg. the whiplash may be a gimmick...but that gimmick sure works in a lopo mopar for a daily driver..I sure have more fun with less engine than most have with more engine on the street. I have more use for a street engine than a race engine. check out member Junky and his 383 whiplash.. he was real happy with his also. Beautiful truck, Scratchin'!! Dodge should have offered that color scheme/trim package back then for the 88' pickups. Would have been a big seller. Hey, let us know how well that Whiplash cam runs in the 440. I figure that truck weighs in a 3800-3900 lbs? Probably similar performance as a 68'-69' 440 powered B-Body. Good luck with it and have BIG fun driving it. thank you! it is/was my first build doing the paint/body work myself. I shaved a about 200 lbs off the nose of the truck going manual brakes/steering/a/c-heater delete. it weighed in at 38040 with me and 10 gallons of gas. yes,I am having some BIG fun with it. I am running a stock 727 10 3/4 low stall TC in my 85 truck 318 whiplash with a 2.76 gear. I wager it would surprise you in that lopo smogger Newport with some bolt ons to go with it like 4-v carb/headers with some tunning. I cant wait to try the nv4500 5 speed behind the 318 whiplash. I figure to go with a reman stock 727 10 3/4 high stall TC when the 440 truck gets the whiplash cam. Last edited by scratchnfotraction; 12/12/13 11:14 PM.

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: max] #1543335 12/12/13 11:16 PM 12/12/13 11:16 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	Quote: What stall speed convertor are you guys using with those cams? I thought about buying one of those cams for my 383 but it's in front of a 1962 trans and the stock convertor doesn't have much of a stall to it. it works with stock low stall TC just fine. also stock exhast/highway gears ect..

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1543336 12/14/13 01:31 PM 12/14/13 01:31 PM
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2boltmain master 2 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,763 Holland MI Ottawa	If I/one were to switch to a MILD Hyd roller in an LA360 could I order correct length pushrods and re use my stamped steel rocker arms? A roller is soo superior but the conversion exceeds $1200. Using stamped OEM arms could save about $400. Keep old mopars alive.

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: 2boltmain] #1543337 12/14/13 02:42 PM 12/14/13 02:42 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,267 Connecticut 1972CudaV21 master
1972CudaV21 master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,267 Connecticut	I'd have a camshaft made to whatever specs you need....and not worry about some hyped-up name. Comp Cams will walk you through the process.

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: 1972CudaV21] #1543338 12/14/13 09:19 PM 12/14/13 09:19 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing master
Dunnuck Racing master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Comp Cams has their version called a Thumper. It makes more power than their other grinds destined for the same rpm range. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: 1972CudaV21] #1543339 12/15/13 09:24 PM 12/15/13 09:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,186 Wherever I am. J Junky master
Junky master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,186 Wherever I am.	Quote: I'd have a camshaft made to whatever specs you need....and not worry about some hyped-up name. Comp Cams will walk you through the process. Hughes gave it a cool name to a well designed cam. It's only a name. The cam works and works darn well. How about "Voodoo" cam? Why did they give it a gimmick name? 2010 Black Challenger SE <> 3.5 V6 Custom Shift Knobs www.flameball.com Check It Out

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: Junky] #1543340 12/16/13 01:41 PM 12/16/13 01:41 PM
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dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	IMHO the name is pure marketing, not gimmick. The name should be exciting plus give some clue as to what the product is about. So Voodoo is an exciting name that hints that there's something about this cam family that seems magical. BTW, kudos to Hughes for getting Whiplash cams to market and having them work as well as they evidently do. Can't let Comp have the market! To me, the gimmick is a cam that has a particular "sound". I'm more old school, how the engine sounds is not very indicative of how it will run on the street. Take for example the chevy pickup with a 350 and a 250 degree at 50 lift camshaft and a pair of Flowmasters. It barely idles, it sounds mean, but on the street, performance sucks. I hear them all the time in my backyard as they accelerate away from stop signs. How can I say performance sucks, because they usually are running an automatic and I can tell how long it takes between shifts. R. The last car that had an interesting sound that I immediately thought "hot" was a Shelby Mustang clone with a slightly nervous sounding solid lifter cam. As it sat there idling at 900 rpm in the lane next to me I understood immediately that it was quick. And as he banged through the first three gears running away from me, I knew I was right.

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: dogdays] #1543341 12/16/13 01:55 PM 12/16/13 01:55 PM
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,703 Nebraska 70VcodeCoronetRT top fuel
70VcodeCoronetRT top fuel Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,703 Nebraska	Anyone running one of these in a 440 Six Pack build? Curious if it has enough vacuum for the Six Pack to work good? Trying to decide between this one and the Mr. Six Pack cam for a pretty much stock 440 Six Pack.

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #1543342 12/16/13 07:04 PM 12/16/13 07:04 PM
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macmic87 super stock Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 836 lancaster, new york	Quote: Anyone running one of these in a 440 Six Pack build? Curious if it has enough vacuum for the Six Pack to work good? Trying to decide between this one and the Mr. Six Pack cam for a pretty much stock 440 Six Pack.

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: 2boltmain] #1543343 12/17/13 12:35 PM 12/17/13 12:35 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	Quote: If I/one were to switch to a MILD Hyd roller in an LA360 could I order correct length pushrods and re use my stamped steel rocker arms? A roller is soo superior but the conversion exceeds $1200. Using stamped OEM arms could save about $400. as long as it is the roller cam block you can...if it is not a roller block then a retro set of lifters/PRs/adjustable rockers are a must. I came in around 700$ for the first roller cam upgrade I did. that's for everything down to 10$ worth of paint. I ran a luntai voodoo roller cam 60710 with comp 901-16 springs used all stock roller cam valve gear. stock roller lifters,dogbones,spider,pushrods,shaft mount non-adjustable rockers my roller lifters were later model (91) that were oil thru with hollow pushrods and oiled thru head to shaft rockers and thru lifters/pr. swaped over to the whiplash 318 roller cam with the same valve gear and comp 901-16 springs and have had no issues the lunati 60710 voodoo is almost identical to the whiplash but with a tight LSA for a choppy idle(voodoo was stock smooth idle) so yes there is some coin that can be saved swaping to a street roller cam. I just drove the whiplash with the 5 speed and I am even more impressed and very happy with the whiplash in my 85 stepside.

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1543344 01/22/14 01:24 PM 01/22/14 01:24 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,978 Moncton, New Brunswick hemidart1 top fuel
hemidart1 top fuel Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,978 Moncton, New Brunswick	I just had a 1974 360 completely rebuilt for my convertible along with new pistons with stock compression,3 angle valve job on the heads, '68 340 intake, Edelbrock 650, TTI headers, a nice adjustable valvetrain and the Hughes Whiplash 360 cam. I haven't heard it run but my guys told me it sounds healthy on the break in stand. Should be in the car later this month! I will let you know how it runs and post a video. 1967 Hemi GTX 1969 Chrysler 300

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: hemidart1] #1543345 03/19/14 11:21 PM 03/19/14 11:21 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,978 Moncton, New Brunswick hemidart1 top fuel
hemidart1 top fuel Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,978 Moncton, New Brunswick	here is the video video 1967 Hemi GTX 1969 Chrysler 300

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: hemidart1] #1543346 03/20/14 06:14 PM 03/20/14 06:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,186 Wherever I am. J Junky master
Junky master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,186 Wherever I am.	Quote: here is the video video Yup, sounds familiar. Got one in my 383. I think you're going to find that it gives great performance as well as a lumpy sound. 2010 Black Challenger SE <> 3.5 V6 Custom Shift Knobs www.flameball.com Check It Out

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: Junky] #1543347 03/21/14 08:06 AM 03/21/14 08:06 AM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,862 the frozen wastes... Pale_Roader Swears too much
Pale_Roader Swears too much Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,862 the frozen wastes...	For an off the shelf no-brainer cam (read: non-custom), i'm definitely sold on it. All i have to do now is decide whether its going in a 5.9L Magnum or my ol' 383...

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: Pale_Roader] #1543348 03/21/14 10:24 AM 03/21/14 10:24 AM
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scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	Quote: For an off the shelf no-brainer cam (read: non-custom), i'm definitely sold on it. All i have to do now is decide whether its going in a 5.9L Magnum or my ol' 383... that was my problem...now I have 2 small block roller cams and 1 BB 440 flat tappet cam. my next project is all stock low milage 5.9 magnum engine running a intake/carb combo on it. the roller whiplash is intended for a magnum headed engine..Hughes said they had not run it in a pre-mag LA 318 engine so not sure how it was going to act AND I am using the comp 901-16 springs I ran the lunati 60710 voodoo roller with. (whiplash roller and the lunati 60710 voodoo roller are almost exact specs.) well it flat out works. so much I have 2 pre-mag roller cam 318s with it and a magnum headed engine is only going to be more fun. I have not tried a small block flat tappet whiplash, but only can think it is just as bad to the bone.

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: 70Cuda383] #1543349 03/24/14 09:03 AM 03/24/14 09:03 AM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,862 the frozen wastes... Pale_Roader Swears too much
Pale_Roader Swears too much Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,862 the frozen wastes...	Quote: yea, these cams are VERY gimmicky... bone stock 5.9 Magnum. 2bbl M1 EFI intake edelbrock small tube headers and SCT tuner. add one 5.9 Whiplash cam (222�/228� @ .050, .544 lift, 107 LSA installed at 104) and suddenly I'm putting down 285 hp to the wheels (nearly 100 hp more than stock) with more HP left on the table...my stock TB was causing me to build up to 3" of manifold vacuum at WOT above 4,000 RPM. Truck was running 14.2 1/4 miles at 97-99 mph with traction limited 60' times of 2.2-2.3 With traction, that 4,000 lb street truck would have been into the 13s. not bad when bone stock it was lucky to run a 15.2 Gimmick or not, they flat out work for cheap "junkyard motors" that are still low compression, stock heads, etc. Curious... on the Hughes site it clearly says NOT to use these cams in stock Magnum engines, because the CR is already too high. And that if you have a stock Magnum engine you should opt for a wider LSA version. Did you guys put these cams in stock engines? You say you did, so were there any issues? I'm assuming that the fear is that the close LSA and a higher Magnum CR raises the dynamic CR too high? or is there no issue? 107LSA and 9.1:1 on pump gas doesn't sound like a recipe for disaster to me...??? Sounds to me like if this works without issue (against their warning) you'd end up with even more power.

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: Pale_Roader] #1543350 03/24/14 12:33 PM 03/24/14 12:33 PM
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scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	my understanding it is for a stock magnum engine. I know when I talked to Dave, that was his concern with me running it in a 91 pre-magnum LA engine with the closed chamber #302 heads. Dave said they had not tried one in a pre-mag roller cam 318 yet. I was running a lunati roller at the time with almost identacal specs with comp 901 springs. this was Daves other concern, the hughes springs have a little more seat pressure but less spring rate over all compaird to a comp 901-16 spring. I had no issues with the comp 901 running the lunati Voodoo roller cam for 7 yrs so I rolled the dice with the whiplash roller as it is almost identacal cam specs and spring specs. the pre-magnum roller cam engines are about the same 9.0 to 1 comp ratio as a 5.2-5.9 magnum engines. the magnum has a better flowing head with larger valves so I would think the magnum will produce better results over my pre-magnum 318. I even run the cheap 87 octane crap gas...it will ping on hard WOT blast but bumping up to the 89 does a lot better with almost no ping on hard WOT blast. I did notice I had to back timing back from a 12* with the voodoo roller to 8* to get the pinging under control with the whiplash. got it dialed in now and love the 5 speed and 18+ mpg with it.

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1543351 03/24/14 07:57 PM 03/24/14 07:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,862 the frozen wastes... Pale_Roader Swears too much
Pale_Roader Swears too much Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,862 the frozen wastes...	Quote: I did notice I had to back timing back from a 12* with the voodoo roller to 8* to get the pinging under control with the whiplash. Hmmm... you had me excited till this part... So its not quite optimal... but will still work. Hmmm... I dont like the idea ov bumping the timing back to make too much CR work. Then again maybe with my light car it wont be an issue... Kinda getting excited about this smallblock biz...

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: Pale_Roader] #1543352 03/24/14 10:00 PM 03/24/14 10:00 PM
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scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	I don't think it is from the cam or comp ratio but rather the fast burn swirl port heads. I have a cheap reman autozone points dist in it so a good recurv would be a good help. so when I have it up around 10* -/+ the dist pulls well past 40-50 of advance. so it is more a tuning problem IMHO, plus I have a well used JY engine with some bolt on parts the 600 eddy carb is pig rich, the dist needs recurved, I need to run better gas ect...ect...ect.. BUT! for the 800 bux I have in it, this 120,000 mile,never had the heads off JY 318 sure is a brute for daily street duty. Last edited by scratchnfotraction; 03/24/14 10:08 PM.

Re: Hughes Whiplash Cams [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1543353 03/24/14 10:06 PM 03/24/14 10:06 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	and I for got to mention I had to do the same thing with the voodoo cam going from a 360 headed 318 to a #302 headed 318. went from 14* back down to 10* going to the closed chamberd heads. so when I went to the whiplash I tried 14+ then 10* and found it liked it around 8* for base settings. could be the goober tuning it for me. Last edited by scratchnfotraction; 03/25/14 11:47 AM.

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