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Re: Noticeable Drivetrain Shake at Idle [Re: dogdays] #1542154
12/04/13 04:22 AM
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The answer is simple, you have a bad cylinder. Your mechanic told you. One man's "rock or shake" is another man's vibration.

If you remember which hole was bad, pull the spark plug wire on it and see if it makes any difference in the engine's behavior. I bet it gets slightly worse, but doesn't change a lot.

Whatever you do, don't go making a lot of changes all at once. This is a simple problem with an expensive solution. You probably need a different engine or at least a valve job on your existing heads.
If it is a valve, you can sometimes tell by pulling the coil wire and turning the engine. Listen for a hiss every other revolution. If it comes through the carb it's an intake valve. But dollars to doughnuts it's an exhaust valve and the hiss will be heard at the exhaust.

If this is the case, I'd suggest looking for a mid-80s Fifth Avenue for heads or complete 318.

Also, unless your 273 came with a factory four-barrel carb there's no reason to put in 91 octane fuel.

Keep us posted. There's more collective brainpower on this board than in most garages.

R.




As far as I can tell it's a stock 273 with a 2-barrel (most likely original). I did check the casting on the block shortly after I got it and confirmed it was a 273. How much can a valve-job run up to? If it's more expensive it may not be worth it since 318's and 360's are available. I've got an 8 3/4 in my garage I could swap instead of the 7 1/4 just in case I want to go to more cubes.

Re: Noticeable Drivetrain Shake at Idle [Re: MuuMuu101] #1542155
12/04/13 12:03 PM
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Stay on it & find the cause. You can do this


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Re: Noticeable Drivetrain Shake at Idle [Re: MuuMuu101] #1542156
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Isolating each cylinder by pulling a plug-wire will get you in the ball park...

Compression, and leakage test will nail it...


Of course, some Dart's just inherently 'shake'...

Re: Noticeable Drivetrain Shake at Idle [Re: RSNOMO] #1542157
12/04/13 12:17 PM
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Of course, some Dart's just inherently 'shake'...


I bet that one does!. that's probably as mean a looking car as I've ever seen . It's all in the wheels and tires


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Re: Noticeable Drivetrain Shake at Idle [Re: MuuMuu101] #1542158
12/04/13 12:35 PM
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The answer is simple, you have a bad cylinder. Your mechanic told you. One man's "rock or shake" is another man's vibration.

If you remember which hole was bad, pull the spark plug wire on it and see if it makes any difference in the engine's behavior. I bet it gets slightly worse, but doesn't change a lot.

Whatever you do, don't go making a lot of changes all at once. This is a simple problem with an expensive solution. You probably need a different engine or at least a valve job on your existing heads.
If it is a valve, you can sometimes tell by pulling the coil wire and turning the engine. Listen for a hiss every other revolution. If it comes through the carb it's an intake valve. But dollars to doughnuts it's an exhaust valve and the hiss will be heard at the exhaust.

If this is the case, I'd suggest looking for a mid-80s Fifth Avenue for heads or complete 318.

Also, unless your 273 came with a factory four-barrel carb there's no reason to put in 91 octane fuel.

Keep us posted. There's more collective brainpower on this board than in most garages.

R.




As far as I can tell it's a stock 273 with a 2-barrel (most likely original). I did check the casting on the block shortly after I got it and confirmed it was a 273. How much can a valve-job run up to? If it's more expensive it may not be worth it since 318's and 360's are available. I've got an 8 3/4 in my garage I could swap instead of the 7 1/4 just in case I want to go to more cubes.




It depends, usually around 250-300 in my area, plus new valves if you want them. If it were me, and this was just a 273 that I was going to cruise around, I'd take the heads off and inspect it. If it was a burned valve but was not really sunken and the seat looked okay I would probably buy a new valve and hand lap it to the seat and let it fly, this is not the best way, but will work fine.

Usually a burned valve will give you no compression in a cylinder, but you could be right at the tipping point. If its not a burned valve you've probably got a badly recessed seat, and may need to go larger with the valves or have new seats installed. Unfortunately this is a case of you don't know until you open it up.


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Re: Noticeable Drivetrain Shake at Idle [Re: RapidRobert] #1542159
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To stand next to it, at idle, with the headers un-corked is just something you really can't put into words...

You have to feel it)...

Re: Noticeable Drivetrain Shake at Idle [Re: GTX MATT] #1542160
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What most of the others have said...Also watch for any frame/body to driveline contact..

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Re: Noticeable Drivetrain Shake at Idle [Re: RSNOMO] #1542161
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He's already had a compression check done and the mechanic said one bad hole. Can it be much simpler?\

It's a two-barrel 273 which should run on the cheapest gas out there.

Replacing the valve is a possibility and would probably be good for 20,000 miles if the seat isn't damaged.

If the seat is damaged I'd go straight to the 'yard and pull a 318 out of a 1985 - 1988 Fifth Avenue. Dress it in the 273's externals so your belt drives and exhaust system don't cost money. You may need to use the 318s 2-barrel manifold with your stock carb because of bolt hole angle differences.

My 100K+ '86 318 had absolutely no ridge and the bearings were nearly untouched. It would have run for another 100K without any changes.

R.

Re: Noticeable Drivetrain Shake at Idle [Re: dogdays] #1542162
12/04/13 08:00 PM
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I'll keep you guys up to date when I work on it. It's the week before my finals so I won't have much time to check it out any time soon. We'll see what happens in a couple weeks or so. I just wanted your insight beforehand. Thank you!

Re: Noticeable Drivetrain Shake at Idle [Re: MuuMuu101] #1542163
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Perfect time for an LS1 swap..

Re: Noticeable Drivetrain Shake at Idle [Re: OzHemi] #1542164
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LS-1? Maybe if he had a Nova. lol

Re: Noticeable Drivetrain Shake at Idle [Re: OzHemi] #1542165
12/05/13 03:11 AM
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Perfect time for an LS1 swap..




Only if you have a donor car and are going to help...

Re: Noticeable Drivetrain Shake at Idle [Re: MuuMuu101] #1542166
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Re: Noticeable Drivetrain Shake at Idle [Re: MuuMuu101] #1542167
12/23/13 01:13 AM
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Little update. I just took a look at the receipt my dad got from my mechanics. I didn't realize it, but they say they changed (or at least ordered) new motor and trans mounts. I also noticed a lot of things on the list that I requested them to do that they didn't do because of the short time restraint so I'm going to see what's up. They were supposed to realign the steering column and make sure the turn signals work (on the receipt) but didn't. Also, looking back at my other posts on here and FABO, it seems cylinder 2 is the culprit and is reading 60 psi. The others are at about 120-150 psi, I believe.

Re: Noticeable Drivetrain Shake at Idle [Re: JohnRR] #1542168
12/23/13 01:32 AM
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What's the rated compression ratio ?

Edit ... mymopar.com says rated at 8.8 so it's closer to 8.0 , you should be able to run it on 87 ...





Maybe carboned up cause of the 91 it couldn't burn?

A carboned up engine can run bad. I bet a dose of Seafoam in the PCV would put on a real show.


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Re: Noticeable Drivetrain Shake at Idle [Re: MuuMuu101] #1542169
12/24/13 01:09 PM
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Little update. I just took a look at the receipt my dad got from my mechanics. I didn't realize it, but they say they changed (or at least ordered) new motor and trans mounts. I also noticed a lot of things on the list that I requested them to do that they didn't do because of the short time restraint so I'm going to see what's up. They were supposed to realign the steering column and make sure the turn signals work (on the receipt) but didn't. Also, looking back at my other posts on here and FABO, it seems cylinder 2 is the culprit and is reading 60 psi. The others are at about 120-150 psi, I believe.




60psi.
I would think that you have found your problem even though I thought you had stated something similar way earlier in you thread!.
Case Closed!


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