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#1541133 - 11/28/13 01:46 PM Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil?
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Looking for the best reproduction date coded ignition coil on the market with the green Mopar stamping. Who sells them these days?


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#1541134 - 11/28/13 01:47 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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Mr Wizzard

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All I've been seeing are these incorrect turds.


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#1541135 - 11/28/13 03:16 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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ECS offers a date coded transfer that I believe is correct. You would be a better judge of that than me. I am curious as to what coil to use under it though.
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#1541136 - 11/28/13 03:33 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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Scott, year one has them with a whole slew of date choices.

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#1541137 - 11/28/13 03:42 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 71birdJ68]
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Mr Wizzard

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Year One .....The Last place I'd have looked for something "correct"


Thanks I'll have a look

*FWIW I'm sure ECS's transfers are awesome as are most everything I've seen from them

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#1541138 - 11/28/13 04:05 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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#1541139 - 11/28/13 04:11 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: Stewpar]
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I'd guess it's the same coil. Just shop price.

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#1541140 - 11/28/13 08:52 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 71birdJ68]
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Has anyone tried Dixie Restorations? Lea at Dixie said they have them date coded for $70.00 If they are anything like there Alternators they should be very nice. I have not yet ordered mine but I do believe that I am going to call her and purchase one.

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#1541141 - 11/28/13 11:03 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 71birdJ68]
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Scott, year one has them with a whole slew of date choices.




Correct, their wiring vendor makes them.

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#1541142 - 11/29/13 12:19 AM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 1972CudaV21]
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Mr Wizzard

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Yes that would be M&H Wire

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#1541143 - 11/29/13 08:46 AM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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I just ordered one this morning - YO has a 30% code - BF13.
Total shipped to California was about $70...
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#1541144 - 11/30/13 10:22 AM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: Mr D21]
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I used ECS's transfer on my Blaster coil


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#1541145 - 12/01/13 05:48 AM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 71birdJ68]
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Scott, year one has them with a whole slew of date choices.




Could anyone tell me the date code for Nov.69?
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#1541146 - 12/01/13 08:10 AM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: LimeliteAero]
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accurate info in this article

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#1541147 - 12/01/13 09:00 AM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 6T9_CHARGER_RT]
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One tid bit, ECS has just a shot list of dates for their transfers.

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#1541148 - 12/01/13 10:32 AM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 71birdJ68]
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What is a shot list? Did you mean short?

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#1541149 - 12/01/13 07:26 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: ]
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You know, a list of different drinks that you can get a shot of.


Edited by 71 RR- J68 (12/01/13 08:35 PM)

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#1541150 - 12/02/13 09:35 AM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 71birdJ68]
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So, what happened to the coils for 1972?? What is correct?

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#1541151 - 12/02/13 10:18 AM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 1972CudaV21]
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Sorry, but 71 was considered the end of the performance cars, so I guess they don't think there is enough demand for the newer cars. ECS doesn't even offer their rub offs for the late 71 cars. I know, it's a bummer.

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#1541152 - 12/02/13 04:44 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 71birdJ68]
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Sorry, but 71 was considered the end of the performance cars, so I guess they don't think there is enough demand for the newer cars. ECS doesn't even offer their rub offs for the late 71 cars. I know, it's a bummer.




Hold on now, many folks consider 1972 to be the last year for the Muscle Car Era - so you're not cutting me out just yet. Also, many 1972 date-coded reproductions are available and then they stop there...

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#1541153 - 12/02/13 05:21 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 1972CudaV21]
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This thread and the OE 340 thread made me go out and check the coil on my GTS. I have to take it off the car to verify but I think it may be the original.


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#1541154 - 12/02/13 05:28 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 1972CudaV21]
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We were talking about coils, and the most complete listing from Year One stops with 71, that is unless they have added more. My catalog is a couple of years old. I didn't make the rules I just follow them. After 71 the Hemi is gone, and except for a few six packs that escaped, it's gone to. The 400 was a slug compared to a good 383. Insurance and gas prices,and emissions, just the way it was, even though I like a lot of the newer cars, especially the later Charger SEs.

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#1541155 - 12/02/13 06:54 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 71birdJ68]
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We were talking about coils, and the most complete listing from Year One stops with 71, that is unless they have added more. My catalog is a couple of years old. I didn't make the rules I just follow them. After 71 the Hemi is gone, and except for a few six packs that escaped, it's gone to. The 400 was a slug compared to a good 383. Insurance and gas prices,and emissions, just the way it was, even though I like a lot of the newer cars, especially the later Charger SEs.




The 1972 440 Charger and other B-bodies still had something going on. Change the heads and compression on the '72 340's and you're back to '70/'71 performance.

For the 1973-1974 models, I think Chrysler screwed itself with the "Big Bumper" cars...

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#1541156 - 12/02/13 07:57 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 1972CudaV21]
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YO also skipped a bunch of early 71 cars, the earliest date for that model year starts at 320 (32nd week of 1970) which would not be correct for most cars built from August to October.

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#1541157 - 12/02/13 08:59 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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Mr Wizzard

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FYI, Dixie sells the coils made by M&H, Year One sells the coils made by M&H, and M&H sells direct. all seem to be similarly priced (YO only when on sale, etc.). So it looks like ECS's transfers and M&H are the only two choices out there right now?

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#1541158 - 12/02/13 09:39 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 1972CudaV21]
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The 1972 440 Charger and other B-bodies still had something going on. Change the heads and compression on the '72 340's and you're back to '70/'71 performance.

I meant right out of the box, not changing stuff to make them run good.

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#1541159 - 12/02/13 10:25 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 71birdJ68]
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The 1972 440 Charger and other B-bodies still had something going on. Change the heads and compression on the '72 340's and you're back to '70/'71 performance.

I meant right out of the box, not changing stuff to make them run good.




We could drag this on forever and start to compare old Mopars to modern Muscle Cars...lol...I love the 1972 models...Sorry you don't. I also love many models from '66 to '71 as well. Enjoy whatever you have in the garage

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#1541160 - 12/02/13 10:29 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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YO also skipped a bunch of early 71 cars, the earliest date for that model year starts at 320 (32nd week of 1970) which would not be correct for most cars built from August to October.




Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the ECS website said something about other transfers being available? Someone must be able to make a date that is needed.

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#1541161 - 12/02/13 10:50 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 1972CudaV21]
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Mr Wizzard

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the ECS website said something about other transfers being available? Someone must be able to make a date that is needed.




I was speaking of Year One's coil dates, not ECS's transfer dates. Two different vendors.

Interestingly M&H supplies Year One who only lists 1971 dates going back to 320, but M&H lists earlier dates on their site. Maybe Year One could special order different dates? I don't know but I do know they charge more than M&H so why bother with the Middle man?

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#1541162 - 12/02/13 11:06 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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Quote:

Quote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the ECS website said something about other transfers being available? Someone must be able to make a date that is needed.




I was speaking of Year One's coil dates, not ECS's transfer dates. Two different vendors.

Interestingly M&H supplies Year One who only lists 1971 dates going back to 320, but M&H lists earlier dates on their site. Maybe Year One could special order different dates? I don't know but I do know they charge more than M&H so why bother with the Middle man?




Lol...I know, I just had ECS on my mind...I read that you can order these directly from them...you're all set man!....http://www.wiringharness.com/PDFS/Chrysler_Date_Coded_Coils_2013.pdf

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#1541163 - 12/03/13 08:57 AM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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What is the web site for M&H?

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#1541164 - 12/03/13 10:21 AM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: blkbee6pack]
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Wiringharness.com

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#1541165 - 12/03/13 12:37 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 1972CudaV21]
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As an aside. It is my understanding that factory multi-carb cars had a shorter coil than single-carb applications. Can anyone verify this statement and if this is accurate where would an owner go to get an authentic "short" coil?

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#1541166 - 12/03/13 01:03 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 2JcodeChargers]
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never heard of the short coil?
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#1541167 - 12/03/13 03:11 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: LimeliteAero]
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Restoration Plus Series coils are correct for many 1966 to 1971 Chrysler cars. It is important to note that there
were originally two distinct types of coils utilized in these vehicles, each manufactured by a different company.
The coil we have reproduced is known by restorers as the “Long Skinny Type” and was manufactured by Essex.
The Essex coil features the part number 2444241 and the words Made in USA stamped on the side of it. The Essex coil was used in a good majority of vehicles produced from 1966 to 1971. The other coil that was used was
known as the “Short Fat Type” and was manufactured by Prestolite. The Prestolite coil has part number 2444242
on the side of it and the words Made in USA on top of the tower and is not currently being reproduced.

Something I've found as a general rule Essex coils used green lettering. Prestolite used yellow lettering BUT this is NOT writen in stone.
I have seen yellow print Essex coils but have never come across a green or white print Prestolite coil.

Generaly 1972 and later used what is reffered to as the the flag print style . Similar to what is still avail thru Mopar but done in green print. It has the rectangular box on it, sometimes with the word ' Mopar ' printed in it

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#1541168 - 12/03/13 05:46 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: Mr D21]
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Quote:

I just ordered one this morning - YO has a 30% code - BF13.
Total shipped to California was about $70...





Post a picture when it arrives please.........
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#1541169 - 12/03/13 07:55 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: Stewpar]
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#1541170 - 12/04/13 01:07 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: gtx6970]
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Mr Wizzard

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Who made this coil Bill?


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#1541171 - 12/04/13 01:07 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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Mr Wizzard

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same coil


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#1541172 - 12/04/13 01:09 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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Mr Wizzard

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This is the ECS transfer, comparing it to the original above it's very nice but a bit too perfect as compared to an ink stamping which leaves dry, slightly smeared and uneven areas.


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#1541173 - 12/04/13 01:33 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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Who made this coil Bill?




I know there was a Made In Canada coil, but for the life of me I can't remember if it was Essex or Prestolite that had a Canadian assy plant

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#1541174 - 12/04/13 03:54 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: gtx6970]
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Interesting coil info found on fabo archive

"What is the diffrence in the 2 prong ballast resistor? I see some have .25ohm .75ohm or 1.45ohm is one better than the other? I no nothing about ohms. I have a 67 barracuda electronic ign, burned out what looks like may be the original ballast tonight just wondering what to replace it with.

The ballast should match the coil. So the waters are muddy. Here's the info right straight out of the 67 shop manual, with the coils and resistors ORIGINALLY used, so these are for "points" values

My 74 book, which is paper, is similar

Chrysler / Prestolite 2444242 coil, 1.6--1.79 ohms, 9400 to 1170 (must be 11700) secondary
Chrysler / Essex 2444211 1.41 to 1.55 primary, 8000 to 10200 secondary

Ballast (this is the dual one)

.5--.6 ohms (coil side)

4.75 to 5.75 for other side (feeds the ECU)"

Is it safe to decuct that if a car came with prestolite dist then a prestolite coil would be fitted? It's published in Herd's resto guide the above is correct, yet I know that book is full of errors.

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#1541175 - 12/04/13 04:20 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: srt]
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The original coil from my Canadian built 1972 "A" body looked just like the 1970-71, etc coils...except it said "Made in Canada". When Performance Car Graphics made the new coil, they had never seen one marked like that before. This was around 2002..

I know, I know, pictures.... I took the pics on a camera that burned to little CDs and my current machine won't read them. I need to transfer from an older computer...then I'll put up a pic.


Edited by MattMPA (12/04/13 04:21 PM)

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#1541176 - 12/05/13 09:49 AM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: MattMPA]
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Okay, but what was the part number...it changed for the 1972 line...

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#1541177 - 12/05/13 03:35 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: 1972CudaV21]
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Quote:

Okay, but what was the part number...it changed for the 1972 line...



FWIW;
The Chrysler '72 parts book shows the coil as part# 2495531 (same as earlier years). The '72 FSM shows the same coil numbers as posted above by srt.



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#1541178 - 12/05/13 06:01 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: moparfan53]
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part number remained the same up thru at least the mid to late 70's ( maybe later.)

It's the outward appearence that changed

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#1541179 - 12/15/13 11:52 AM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: gtx6970]
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I posted these on the "Totally Anal 340 Thread" but thought they should be here as well.

I hoarded these coils up over the years. These are both from 71 Small blocks, the one dated 330 is from an early 71 340, the other might be from a 318, I'm not sure. They are identical in every aspect except the date codes (which are also pretty close). One of the brackets had a gold finish and one has a bracket with a silver finish, these have never been apart and enough original plating is visible to confirm both as genuine.


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#1541180 - 12/15/13 11:54 AM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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Mr Wizzard

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Both of these have "Made in Canada" embossed in the tops. They are also quite a bit shorter than the other 69/70 coils I have


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#1541181 - 12/15/13 11:55 AM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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Mr Wizzard

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Showing the two shorter coils next to two of the longer ones.


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#1541182 - 12/15/13 11:55 AM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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Mr Wizzard

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Notice how the date codes run across the coils on the short versions and lengthwise on the taller coils. Also notice the gap in the part# ink stamping on the taller coils which is not present on the short coils.


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#1541183 - 12/15/13 01:46 PM Re: Who sells the most accurate green stamped coil? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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fwiw... I've only seen the short coils on small blocks. So you have a coil collection too also have a electronic regulator collection


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#2380465 - 10/02/17 08:56 AM accurate green stamped coil? DATE CODE HELP [Re: 52savoy]
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Speaking of coils, has anyone seen a 4 digit date? Is this 23rd week of 1970? Coil is NOS.

Thanks


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#2380653 - 10/02/17 01:46 PM Re: accurate green stamped coil? DATE CODE HELP [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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I've used 'Almost NOS' coils as well and felt they were extremely accurate.

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#2382671 - 10/05/17 07:24 PM Re: accurate green stamped coil? DATE CODE HELP [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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Are the coils from M+H even still avail ?

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