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Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. #1537955
11/21/13 09:27 PM
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So my car is done.. I'm going to pick it up in about an hour .. it's a 71 Dart Swinger with a mildly built 360, 8.75" rear end and trans (904) is built with a Griner reverse Valve Body, low first gear set, upgraded clutches, 2800 rpm stall converter..

So this will be my first time driving it in 10 years of owning it.. I've never driven a car with a manual valve body.. may seem like a dumb question, but I'm assuming it should be pretty straightforward, shift it when the rpm's climb, and as I'm slowing down, downshift... right ?

Nothing fancy - I'm assuming....

is it ok to start in 2nd gear if I wanted to?

Re: Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. [Re: cal_gecko] #1537956
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Up shift as needed, no need to wind it up. I down shift to first as I

come to a stop to avoid unnecessary wear. The only thing that can be

dicey is downshifting when you're getting on it from a 50+ mph roll.

You went all out on a Griner for a street car??

Re: Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. [Re: cal_gecko] #1537957
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The Griner is a low band apply(LBA) valve body. My only experience is with the TA non low band apply vb. I never downshift when i slow down. I've heard that a LBA vb will jerk when shifted into first while moving. Again, no experience with the LBA type. Obviously if you slow down and then need to accelerate from a low speed, you may want to downshift. I will sometimes take off in second when driving in ice and snow. Otherwise it's not a good idea, due to converter slippage and heat.

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Re: Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. [Re: forphorty] #1537958
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The Griner is a low band apply(LBA) valve body. My only experience is with the TA non low band apply vb. I never downshift when i slow down. I've heard that a LBA vb will jerk when shifted into first while moving. Again, no experience with the LBA type. Obviously if you slow down and then need to accelerate from a low speed, you may want to downshift. I will sometimes take off in second when driving in ice and snow. Otherwise it's not a good idea, due to converter slippage and heat.




yes..down shifting into 1st with a LBA valve body will cause the engine rpm to go up...and transmission will be braking or slowing the car...


Tony

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Re: Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. [Re: Dan Halen] #1537959
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Up shift as needed, no need to wind it up. I down shift to first as I

come to a stop to avoid unnecessary wear.




This is how I drive the Dart with my CRT low band applied 727.

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Re: Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. [Re: codfish] #1537960
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I remember the instructions said to be fully stopped before downshifting from second into first. Been driving on the street with mine for 12+yrs.

Re: Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. [Re: Blown 68 R/T] #1537961
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I must have a stump-puller motor in mine compared to you other .... on a EZ grandma leave at a stop lite ... the BUTTON on my dash shifter is in D .... with a 2.76 gear .

...and none of youz say PICS or it never happened ..

Re: Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. [Re: dOc !] #1537962
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well .. turns out the car isn't ready. alternator isn't charging the battery..

thanks for the tips on the VB .. as for downshifting for accelerating/passing - do you downshift at the same time you step on the gas - do you downshift a moment before or after stepping on the gas?

Re: Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. [Re: cal_gecko] #1537963
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drive it like a granny gear stick without a clutch.. Hope you have a good shifter..


I am truckless..
Re: Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. [Re: cal_gecko] #1537964
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....leaving in THIRD is fine ... just don't get into the secondaries of the carb ...

Re: Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. [Re: dOc !] #1537965
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....leaving in THIRD is fine ... just don't get into the secondaries of the carb ...



Sometimes I think you aint all there.


I have mechanical Aptitude.
I can screw up anything.
Re: Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. [Re: bboogieart] #1537966
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Quote:

Quote:

....leaving in THIRD is fine ... just don't get into the secondaries of the carb ...



Sometimes I think you aint all there.




I am there - ALL there ...on my push-button-shifter .. and ferr-surr NOT spaced-out and lost

Re: Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. [Re: bboogieart] #1537967
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Quote:

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....leaving in THIRD is fine ... just don't get into the secondaries of the carb ...



Sometimes I think you aint all there.





Sometimes ?? OH!! Hi Doc


I am truckless..
Re: Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. [Re: 340SHORTY] #1537968
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Justa buncha spaced-out and lost nuts here SOMEtimes...

Re: Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. [Re: dOc !] #1537969
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If your VB has a free wheeling first gear do not go back onto the gas while it's free wheeling.
I've had Manual Valve bodies on the street before and downshifting isn't he best for it.

Re: Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. [Re: RJS] #1537970
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If your VB has a free wheeling first gear do not go back onto the gas while it's free wheeling.
I've had Manual Valve bodies on the street before and downshifting isn't he best for it.




I have NO idea if it has that or not ...

Re: Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. [Re: cal_gecko] #1537971
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You'll get used to shifting the thing in about 2 minutes of driving it. I've had mvb's with and w/out low band apply, and you can easily drive them all over with out trouble, but I avoided downshifting pretty much, unless almost stopped.

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When you say you avoid downshifting... what if you're cruising along and need to accelerate quickly (say, hypothetically a Camaro pulls up next to you as you're cruising along at 30mph) ... I'm sure you'd downshift in order to accelerate as quickly as possible, right? (not advocating street racing... this hypothetical example is on a closed course)

Or ... even just getting on the highway or something..

Re: Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. [Re: cal_gecko] #1537973
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In the (brand unknown) MVB I could do the normal 1, 2, 3, and 3, 2, shifts with no problem. I didnt shift to 1st till I was stopped.


I am truckless..
Re: Driving a Mopar with a manual Valve Body.. [Re: 340SHORTY] #1537974
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drive it like a granny gear stick without a clutch.. Hope you have a good shifter..




Never driven a granny gear stick...

I'm using a B&M Quicksilver shifter

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