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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara
[Re: keith airgrabber]
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10/31/13 12:20 AM
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RapidRobert
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Your my kind of guy  . I would think the larger carbs would definitely be the way to go. I am going with some super stealths (they're bare but only $100 more than complete regular stealths & I already have a set of 2.14/1.81's sittin on the shelf. They do need offset rockers on the intakes & an external pickup for the pan which ain't no big deal
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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara
[Re: keith airgrabber]
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10/31/13 12:42 AM
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awesome, I am gonna do it. I just never had a stroked motor and just wanted too know what some of you dudes thought. It is going to be a max wedge clone car. The car will appear stock. But it should be a beast I hope. I have both sets 0f 3447 carbs or 3705 carbs. Will the larger 3705 carbs be better for the 505 cubes? I would think so.
Dude, you do know that the rear tires are the limiting factor on how much power you can put to the ground, correct?  I've owned and raced several Max wedge cars over the years, a couple of Street Hemi cars also  . I ran both size carbs, the 3447 on the M.W. Stocker and the 3705 on the M.W. bracket car, the bracket car had a 440 short block and it had a full 12 point cage so it weighed about 250 lbs more than the stocker, it had a Dana 70 in it with big tires and wheels on the rear, it was right at .2 ET quicker and 2.0 mph faster than the stocker  They where both fun to drive My last pump gas street and strip car was a 512 C.I. 400 stroker that started off with a set of ported big valve 906 iron heads and a stock type low deck six pak, it ended up with a set of Indy SR heads with M.W. ports and a single Dominator 1050 CFM carb. on it, it was a flat out blast to drive  If your going to run stock type iron heads don't shoot for or use more than 9.5 to 1 compression  My 512 C.i. pump gas stroker made 612 Hp at 5600 RPM and 644 Ft lbs of torque at 4500 RPM on CA pump swill back in 2003 with 9 1/4 to 1 true compression ratio with the 906 heads and six pak, yours will make quiet a bit more HP and torque than that with the M.W. heads and intake and carbs, trust me on that Get ready to live your dream or be scared to death  
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara
[Re: 383man]
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10/31/13 02:46 PM
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So the only thing you need to stroke a stock 440 is a bigger crank?
I just rebuilt my 440 with stealth heads, cam, CH4B and 800cfm and am now wondering if I should have got a bigger crank if that's all it took?
'71 GTX N96 auto 3:55
'74 Challenger 440+6 4spd 4:10
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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara
[Re: keith airgrabber]
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10/31/13 03:58 PM
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Leave the stock crank in my 440. 3.75 stroke.Or buy an eagle crank and stroke 440 to 505 cubes and 4.25 stroke. It is going to have max wedge heads and crossram and stock cast iron max headers. 9.5 to one compression. I should just do the 505 cubes .I think it will be more fun. What do you guys suggest?
Depends on your end goal.If you are going to run it hard,maybe do a little racing fine,if you want to just drive it and make it look pretty,put your money somewhere else ! I have a few friends that have them just for the "I've got a stroker wow " ! No interest but that's just me .
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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara
[Re: keith airgrabber]
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11/01/13 02:29 AM
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Colin Frolick
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Add the stroke. You will enjoy the performance.
Last edited by Colin Frolick; 11/01/13 02:32 AM.
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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara
[Re: AndyF]
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11/01/13 12:44 PM
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Make sure you have a good fuel system to support it. No use building it if it's going to starve for fuel and burn a piston.
526 cubes of angry wedge, pushbutton shifted, 9 passenger killer!
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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara
[Re: 383man]
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11/01/13 03:29 PM
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My '64 did not have headers...it had the later '68 to 70 Magnum manifolds and it was easier to change the plugs from under the car  and if your not going to race it or show it and all you want to do is play with pony cars on back roads, why spend the money on the Max Wedge gear?
1986 Dodge Ramcharger 440 2wd, Bracket Racer Under Construction
1998 Ram 2500 QuadCab, new daily driver.
2008 Honda Element
2014 Carry-On 7x14 Cargo Trailer
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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara
[Re: Twostick]
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11/01/13 04:48 PM
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He may have been collecting parts for a long time, too.
Here is a thought, build a stealthy stroker on a 383 block, use an aluminum intake painted engine color with an 800cfm Edelbrock (w/o E-brock sticker) single four barrel, stock looking painted air cleaner, Magnum manifolds to keep the noise down, serious hydraulic cam for power, hide the electronic ignition, keep your 14" tires & poverty caps and sell the Max Wedge stuff to put the money into the rebuild. That way you have reliability, long life, ease of maintenance... but what the heck do I know?!!! Please yourself.
1986 Dodge Ramcharger 440 2wd, Bracket Racer Under Construction
1998 Ram 2500 QuadCab, new daily driver.
2008 Honda Element
2014 Carry-On 7x14 Cargo Trailer
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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara
[Re: Polarapete]
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11/01/13 06:34 PM
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My '64 did not have headers...it had the later '68 to 70 Magnum manifolds and it was easier to change the plugs from under the car
and if your not going to race it or show it and all you want to do is play with pony cars on back roads, why spend the money on the Max Wedge gear?
He did say he was going to use a crossram I believe. Even if he dont race some guys like the wow factor of the Max Wedge look when they pop the hood. I kinda went with the Max Wedge look but I could not really afford the crossram setup so I use a single carb intake as I figure I can go to the crossram later which I like that look. But it drives and runs so nice with the Indy dual plane intake and the 850 DP I use that for now I am sticking with that setup. I just tell people I got that rare factory option.  After all the Nascar version of the Max Wedge had one carb. Ron
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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara
[Re: DoubleD]
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11/01/13 11:39 PM
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I say stroke it I love my 493 and it's even more fun with a manual transmission. Like Andy says you don't need a new flywheel if you order a six bolt crank. One thing I found too late with my Eagle crank was it wasn't drilled deep enough for my input shaft pilot. I had to whack about 1/2" off my brand new Richmond 5 speed input pilot  Gus 
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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara
[Re: keith airgrabber]
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11/02/13 01:37 AM
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Polarapete
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I understand the problem now  You are sick, but then so am I!!!! I think it is called Mopar Madness and it manifests itself in may ways, mostly in wanting the ability to demonstrate ridiculous horsepower to the unworthy to the detriment of tires and all things mechanical. 
1986 Dodge Ramcharger 440 2wd, Bracket Racer Under Construction
1998 Ram 2500 QuadCab, new daily driver.
2008 Honda Element
2014 Carry-On 7x14 Cargo Trailer
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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara
[Re: keith airgrabber]
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11/02/13 05:00 PM
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" It is going to have max wedge heads"
Those In and Ex ports are huge! Those heads will be perfect on a 500 plus cube engine. Cant go wrong with a quality stroker kit. The piston and rod assemblies with a quality kit weigh SIGNIFICANTLY less than stock rod and piston assemblies. My brother had stock rods with old reliable TRW forged pistons on them in his old school 440. The Arias piston and (don't remember the brand of rods) after market rod was astonishingly lighter than the old reliable tuff. Youll have a big cube fast revving reliable monster!!!!!
Maybe I didn't catch it but are you going with a roller cam? Expensive but worth it.
Keep old mopars alive.
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Re: 440 stroker or not ? 1964 polara
[Re: keith airgrabber]
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11/03/13 06:15 PM
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In my opinion if you can afford a roller cam do it. More power under the curve and no worries about oil zinc/sulfer content- ever.
Keep old mopars alive.
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(30 over/4.5" stroke). No one that I have ever spoken with has lamented after the fact that they just have too much power
I am using the Moroso oil pan and it has good clearence as the angle of the pic makes it look less but its a good 5 to 6 inches of room. And it fit in the K-frame with no cutting or modifying anything as the eng dropped right in. Been driving on the street since 2006 and the pan has never hit anything. Ron
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