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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: mitchell] #1525213
10/30/13 02:22 PM
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John took money from a least 50 other people, thats a scam.
You can still find some of there complaints about this, if you search Google.

I just want John / U.S Car Tool to do the right thing and pay us back.




You will get more assistance in this matter if you allow others to form their own opinion, you have stated yours clearly, some want to hear the other side, and THEN pass a verdict, in fairness.


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: jcc] #1525214
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Kinda looking at both sides from just one sides post:
John got 50 to commit for partial tooling cost.
In the Form of a deposit {probably non refundable}
Reason i say this is has he gotten deposits and then gave it back he would be out total cost.
And was not able to make the Item and recoup the cost you and he have.
It was a gamble on all parties parts. You also mention it may be illegal for him to sell them when made. So at this point the tooling is a loss to everyone involved.
I have no dog in this fight and am not siding with anyone.
Just what I read into what i have read so far from the Op and others.


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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: 340SIX] #1525215
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Kinda looking at both sides from just one sides post:
John got 50 to commit for partial tooling cost.
In the Form of a deposit {probably non refundable}
Reason i say this is has he gotten deposits and then gave it back he would be out total cost.
And was not able to make the Item and recoup the cost you and he have.
It was a gamble on all parties parts. You also mention it may be illegal for him to sell them when made. So at this point the tooling is a loss to everyone involved.
I have no dog in this fight and am not siding with anyone.
Just what I read into what i have read so far from the Op and others.




SIXer .... Did someone boink you on the head or is it you have been huffing pink-paint-fumes .... ?

Unless the OP was a "partner" in this project .... No way should he have to bear thè cost of this project ....

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: dIc dOc Deity !] #1525216
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Just pointing out do not rule out the fact that the deposit may have been non refundable! Anything is possible.

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: 340SIX] #1525217
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Non refundable deposit ? At some point shouldn't I get something.

Thats like putting a deposit down on a used car and when you come back to pick it up the seller say's I'm not going to sell it to you and I'm keeping your deposit.
What a non refundable deposit is intended for is if I came back and said I don't want the car give me my deposit back, having possibly prevented him from selling it someone else.

Besides that, John called it a Pre order and always promised a refund if you wanted.

John Pasemann / U.S. Car Tool needs to do the right and honorable thing and pay back the people he took money from.

Thanks,
Jim

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: 340SIX] #1525218
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Just pointing out do not rule out the fact that the deposit may have been non refundable! Anything is possible.




The way I see this PINKster is typical of new production...this happened to me some years ago. I had some interest in a fiberglass dash for a E body but it all hinged on me getting a good usable oem part to make the mold. In putting the deal together I took deposits from 5 or so people but the person that promised the oem part never came through. THAT was not the problem and of course the fault of the people who gave the deposits ... so all monies were refunded.

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: dIc dOc Deity !] #1525219
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In this case a deposit is only non-refundable if the buyer backs out, not the seller. John should step up and refund all monies collected for this "project", unless he has a for sure date the tooling will be complete and a product can be delivered. Pretty straight forward from what I see.

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: Hotwheelsjr] #1525220
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I just can't believe it has gone on for 8 years.

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: OzHemi] #1525221
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I just can't believe it has gone on for 8 years.




Ya, that too. I would have been fed up after 1 year.

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: Hotwheelsjr] #1525222
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I just can't believe it has gone on for 8 years.




Ya, that too. I would have been fed up after 1 year.




Ditto...would not have been put off for that long myself.

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: OzHemi] #1525223
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At first John gave me updates of the progress, slow yet still progress. A year after I paid him I saw the part nearly complete (not yet chromed) at Carlisle. He strung me out long enough that my credit card company could no longer do anything about it. I tried to deal with John by asking for just a completed outer ring, which he said he could but never did.
I also tried Better Business Bureau and Consumer Affairs, but had no luck. He's got me and maybe 50 others.

I thought since so many people on this forum know oh him and U.S. Car Tool that I could shame him into giving us back our money.

If he gets away with it once what will prevent him from doing it again.

I repeat DON'T DO BUSINESS WITH JOHN PASEMANN AND/OR U.S. CAR TOOL.

Thanks,
Jim

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: mitchell] #1525224
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Hey Jim

Welcome to Moparts, sad that you found us for this reason ..


I want to apologize for those folks that want attack you when your looking for support


You have used a lot of patience looks like , and the guy who got your money should be ashamed of himself for putting you thru it ..



People forget that , sometimes builds take years and maybe you didn't need that part yet ..

so, at some point you hoped it would arrive


I sure hope someone tells him and he makes it right and returns your funds at very least


Good luck, keep us posted and post some pics of the project



Pictures really calm the people here


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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: bigdad] #1525225
10/30/13 11:24 PM
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Ok John, let's get on with this.


I want my fair share
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: SomeCarGuy] #1525226
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Wow, I'd like to hear John check in on this as well. Sometimes it's hard to stomach up to the bar and square up with customers.
In the google link mitchell posted it stated reams of contractural assurances.
So if this high quality chrysler licensed part had enough orders the tooling was going to be built.
Until John produces parts from the tooling he holds and sends parts he would appear to be in default. If he holds no tooling then those that paid a deposit appear due a refund.
Simple understandable contract that mitchell states has not been fulfilled.
I highly doubt anyone would risk litigation for slander and I think op has every reason to either expect a part or full refund.
I'm also

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: SomeCarGuy] #1525227
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So the plastic part is copyrighted and unsaleable but the bezel or whatever you want to call the chrome piece is not? Solution? Sell the bezels for the agreed upon price to the 50 and GIVE the plastic emblems away to each for free.

I don't think you are breaking copyright unless you sell something you don't have the rights to. If I'm wrong Chrysler can't get a cease and desist order until you actually do something anyway and by that time the 50 items get shipped, US Car Tool can say they're sorry and promise not to make anymore until they get them licensed.

Kevin

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: Twostick] #1525228
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I had something very similar happen with a completely different auto part and vendor and this was over $400. When I gave them my credit card it was not made clear that it would be charged before the part would be manufactured and shipped. The vendor kept making promises that it was in the works and development was almost finished but nothing ever materialized. Of course there was always an excuse why it wasn't finished. I know they had in excess of 50 orders...you can do the math on how much money they scammed.

It was longer than 2 years, but a very helpful person at my CC company was able to reverse the charges by taking my last contact/promise of delivery from the vendor as the order date. You might try this route and see if it helps. Hopefully you have written correspondence within the last 2 years.


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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: Butterscotch71] #1525229
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sorry for your experience....I hope you get your funds back with a "sorry"....on the other hand...I needed a set of headers for my dart project,and decided I wanted "pro-parts" headers.(a-body,big block),so I called bob mazzolini,and he told me if he could get a few fellows to put a deposit down,he would build 25 or so sets.so I sent a large partial payment to him,(never dealing with him ever) and he gave a idea when the headers would be ready..well pretty much on time,he called,saying they were ready,and I sent him the remander of the cost,and got the headers promptly.....this is a good model for a honest,well ran business! what the man said...HAPPENED!! thanks to bob,abd his "old school" business model...its called HONESTY!!...oh call him...1-(951) 787-8783..or www.bobmazzoliniracing.com if you need any mopar parts,or some cool pro part headers....am I connected to bob?? no...just a happy guy from Michigan that got a good part from a honest seller!!!

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: mitchell] #1525230
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A post by John Pasemann of U.S. Car Tool offering a refund to those that want one.

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/66_67_dodge_chargers/conversations/messages/67478

John, I want my refund like you said I could have!

Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: Butterscotch71] #1525231
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I had something very similar happen with a completely different auto part and vendor and this was over $400. When I gave them my credit card it was not made clear that it would be charged before the part would be manufactured and shipped.




The LAW states how and when they have to ship/charge/whatever. The credit card issuing company may also have additional requirements. Learn them.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre28.shtm


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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" [Re: mitchell] #1525232
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This is one reason why I never committed with a deposit for the projected Challenger convertible rear interior panels. Months turn into years and in this case he got nothing.


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