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i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern #1521575
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i know people do it, i know it can be done,
does someone offer a template to do so?

Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: mcat4321] #1521576
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i know people do it, i know it can be done,
does someone offer a template to do so?


Maybe, maybe not. The larger bolt pattern axles also have a lrger center register so you can't easily take a 4.5 inch bolt pattern wheel and lay it on the small pattern axle and use it as a pattern I have had several sets of A body axles done by a shop in SO CA years ago, he made a mandrel that centered on the small axle register with the large 4.5 inch bolt pattern in it and then transferred the pattern to those axles, he would drill and tap them for 1/2 inch by 20 threads screw in studs Those worked good, lasted a long time, same thing on the brake drums, same pattern

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Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: mcat4321] #1521577
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You don't need a template if you use a mill.
I have built wheel spacers before with a bridgeport mill.

Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: Challenger 1] #1521578
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Back in the day I ruined a couple sets of axles and wheel wells. I would never weaken the axle nowadays with plenty of big bolt axles available aftermarket. Talk with Dr. Diff.


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Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: Rhinodart] #1521579
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Drilling and tapping using screw in studs leaves very near as much meat around the stud as the OEM original knurled pressed in studs

Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: mcat4321] #1521580
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You'll still have the small center register, so no wheels will pilot, and you'll have oddball drums. If you're bucks-down, just take a chop saw to C-body or pickup axle shafts.

Rick

Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: Rick_Ehrenberg] #1521581
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You'll still have the small center register, so no wheels will pilot, and you'll have oddball drums. If you're bucks-down, just take a chop saw to C-body or pickup axle shafts.

Rick




Most aftermaket wheels don't center on the register anyway.

Would I do it with stock wheels or on a race car? No.

Street car with aftermarket wheels? Sure.


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Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: Rick_Ehrenberg] #1521582
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You'll still have the small center register, so no wheels will pilot, and you'll have oddball drums. If you're bucks-down, just take a chop saw to C-body or pickup axle shafts.

Rick




Can any C-Body axles be cut to fit the A-Body 8 3/4? How much needs to be cut? What year trucks? I have re-drilled A-body axles right now, but would like the big register. I would still have to use the A-body drums and re-drill them, right?

Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: Dodgeballs] #1521583
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The axles on my sons Dart were drilled to the large pattern and has screw in studs. It was done in 1997 and the axles are still in the car. It has been raced and driven over the years with no problems. Ron

Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: Dodgeballs] #1521584
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You'll still have the small center register, so no wheels will pilot, and you'll have oddball drums. If you're bucks-down, just take a chop saw to C-body or pickup axle shafts.

Rick




Can any C-Body axles be cut to fit the A-Body 8 3/4? How much needs to be cut? What year trucks? I have re-drilled A-body axles right now, but would like the big register. I would still have to use the A-body drums and re-drill them, right?




No, you'd use brakes (complete) from any "big bolt" 8-3/4" (or even 8.25 / 9.25" with the same bolt pattern).

I used to have the data showing which donors had enough spline length to cut, but I cannot find it. Hopefully someone else will chime in.

Also inexpensive new axles are made specifically for this swap (Yukon, etc.)

Rick

Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: Rick_Ehrenberg] #1521585
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Just call Dr. Diff. His axle packages are very reasonable and slide right in with no issues, If I can afford them anyone can lol I'm the king of cheap

Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: SLOW67] #1521586
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Like I said above after losing a couple redrilled axles (your use may vary) I sent a pair of C-Body axles to Moser to have them cut and resplined (this was in 1980) and used the 11" C-Body brakes and never looked back. Now that there are plenty of ready to use axles I would go this route today.


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Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: MoparforLife] #1521587
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Drilling and tapping using screw in studs leaves very near as much meat around the stud as the OEM original knurled pressed in studs




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The axles on my sons Dart were drilled to the large pattern and has screw in studs. It was done in 1997 and the axles are still in the car. It has been raced and driven over the years with no problems. Ron





You guys need to quit making sense.

I've done the same thing. Launching off a transbrake and running sub 1.50 60's.

Run stud centric wheels.

Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: RobX4406] #1521588
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Drilling and tapping using screw in studs leaves very near as much meat around the stud as the OEM original knurled pressed in studs




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The axles on my sons Dart were drilled to the large pattern and has screw in studs. It was done in 1997 and the axles are still in the car. It has been raced and driven over the years with no problems. Ron





You guys need to quit making sense.

I've done the same thing. Launching off a transbrake and running sub 1.50 60's.

Run stud centric wheels. I was launching foot break but 1.50ish 60's too and never had a problem and as far as I know is still going. Redrilled the brake drums also.






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Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: RobX4406] #1521589
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Drilling and tapping using screw in studs leaves very near as much meat around the stud as the OEM original knurled pressed in studs




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The axles on my sons Dart were drilled to the large pattern and has screw in studs. It was done in 1997 and the axles are still in the car. It has been raced and driven over the years with no problems. Ron





You guys need to quit making sense.

I've done the same thing. Launching off a transbrake and running sub 1.50 60's.

Run stud centric wheels.





Both my failures were on the street turning quick corners, not nearly the same loads on drag cars...


The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.

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Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: Rhinodart] #1521590
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Too close to the edge, I'm frugal and would not even consider it after looking into it.

Pick up some truck or a set of C-body axles and have Moser work their magic or if you are a fan of sealed bearings (I'm NOT) get some aftermarket axles.




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Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: gdonovan] #1521591
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Too close to the edge, I'm frugal and would not even consider it after looking into it.

Pick up some truck or a set of C-body axles and have Moser work their magic or if you are a fan of sealed bearings (I'm NOT) get some aftermarket axles.


Not if you usse screw in studs. There is all most as much meat around the stud as the large holed knurled type. You will break a stud before you break the flange.

Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: MoparforLife] #1521592
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Too close to the edge, I'm frugal and would not even consider it after looking into it.

Pick up some truck or a set of C-body axles and have Moser work their magic or if you are a fan of sealed bearings (I'm NOT) get some aftermarket axles.


Not if you usse screw in studs. There is all most as much meat around the stud as the large holed knurled type. You will break a stud before you break the flange.


Actully you will twist the left side axle splines off and break the axle first before the screw in studs give you any problems, trust me on that Many 10.60 ET at 3150 lbs for many laps on A body axles before they broke


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Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: Dodgeballs] #1521593
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Can any C-Body axles be cut to fit the A-Body 8 3/4?



No. There are only a few years in the early '70's that will work, and they are usually in a C-body wagon. The only way you can tell is that just past the splines will be the same diameter at the splines. Most are a smaller diameter in that area preventing them from being resplined.

Re: i want to redrill my small axles to large bolt pattern [Re: mcat4321] #1521594
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