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What about oiling system? Would the stock stuff be good enough on a stroker? I have a brand new 402 pan I bought earlier this year. Sounds like I will need a different windage tray.
I've been looking at just getting a S60 rear from Dr. Diff with 3.54 or 3.73's. Buying an original dana and getting it up to snuff with an S60, I'm better off getting the S60 right off the bat. Just need to sell my air grabber hood to pay for that.
What clutch set up do A833 drivers use?

I want this to be very streetable so I'm thinking 470, maybe a 500. But probably not

-Devin

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What about oiling system? Would the stock stuff be good enough on a stroker? I have a brand new 402 pan I bought earlier this year. Sounds like I will need a different windage tray.
I've been looking at just getting a S60 rear from Dr. Diff with 3.54 or 3.73's. Buying an original dana and getting it up to snuff with an S60, I'm better off getting the S60 right off the bat. Just need to sell my air grabber hood to pay for that.
What clutch set up do A833 drivers use?

I want this to be very streetable so I'm thinking 470, maybe a 500. But probably not

-Devin

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I would put the 70 up Hemi pan on it , you don't have any more oil passage length but having the extra oil is a good thing , you'll probably want to add the hemi skid plate though because the pan will be flush with the bottom of the K. Do the oil system mods , minus the cam bearing restriction , outlined in the tech section, Especially the enlarging of the passages from the main galley to the mains , sometimes they could be restricted by casting .

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Stealth heads are not going to really support a 500+ inch motor in my amatuer opinion. 470 is great low deck combo with a light piston & will work within your head limits. Check out the motor just built & dynoed on FABO. Look in the Big Block section. Had over 600ft of torque & over 580hp. A nice street motor that puts the power down by putting together a package.

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470 seems like the magic number to shoot for. The one on fabo sounds awesome, except the whole "$10,500-11,500"! My budget will be A LOT lower than that. Plus I still have to change over to 18 spline stuff and Dana rear. Hmmmm once again I do appreciate all of the comments that will help me through this build. I will try to change this into a"in progress" thread as I build the motor.

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What the smaller cube people don't seem to take into account IMHO when they quote the "same" or similar HP and torque numbers as the 500 cube combos is the fact that it takes more compression and RPM to hit those numbers. That means finding gas that it will be happy with might become a challenge IF you were to push the envelope more towards a max effort.

It also means having to spin it up to 6800+ to get that peak number and being as this looks more like a street brawler than a track car, how often will you really get to do that without attracting the "wrong" kind of attention. Also the kind of cam it will take to make those 500 cube numbers while fun at first might get old a little quicker than some will admit.

Will Stealths support 500 cubes? Depends on how high you intend to spin it. What they will support is the same HP number a 470 will at less RPM. To use my arbitrary 500 @ 6800 number for the 470, the 500 combo should hit the same number at say 5000 and the torque curve will be proportionately lower as well.

What that means in the real world is that at basically a dead idle you could side step the clutch, smash the throttle to the rug and watch the back of the car disappear in a cloud of tire smoke. With 3.23 gears. Torque is your friend.

To use my own 8.9:1 combo and assuming your B-body is 3800 lbs you could be running mid 12.Oh's on regular gas and a reasonably power brake friendly cam.

You said you were going with an 18 spline and a Dana too. Nice upgrades but unless you have them already or intend a lot of track time with DOT slicks or better I would spend some of that money having Modern or Dwayne Porter optimize your Stealths. The tires will be the fuse that will protect your driveline. Dwayne would also be the go to guy to spec you the "right" cam for your project.

Kevin

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When looking at HP only, you make good points, Kevin. However, there is another side to the 500" coin. SHORT PISTONS with OIL SUPPORT RINGS. Source uses a 1.12 ht. piston for goodness sake! Not that it cant work, it will.... but for a street motor that is going to see mostly low RPM use, Its not the way I would go. The longevity OR reliability of a 500" short block won't be what a similarly built 470 would. The guys goals are low 12 second street car for goodness sake. Building a 500 cube short block that requires oil support rings for this desired performance level does not make sense to me. Besides, its not like 470 cubes is small. It would still be the biggest mill at most any cruise night burger stand.

My : 1)470 2)451

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What the smaller cube people don't seem to take into account IMHO when they quote the "same" or similar HP and torque numbers as the 500 cube combos is the fact that it takes more compression and RPM to hit those numbers. That means finding gas that it will be happy with might become a challenge IF you were to push the envelope more towards a max effort.

It also means having to spin it up to 6800+ to get that peak number and being as this looks more like a street brawler than a track car, how often will you really get to do that without attracting the "wrong" kind of attention. Also the kind of cam it will take to make those 500 cube numbers while fun at first might get old a little quicker than some will admit.

Will Stealths support 500 cubes? Depends on how high you intend to spin it. What they will support is the same HP number a 470 will at less RPM. To use my arbitrary 500 @ 6800 number for the 470, the 500 combo should hit the same number at say 5000 and the torque curve will be proportionately lower as well.

What that means in the real world is that at basically a dead idle you could side step the clutch, smash the throttle to the rug and watch the back of the car disappear in a cloud of tire smoke. With 3.23 gears. Torque is your friend.

To use my own 8.9:1 combo and assuming your B-body is 3800 lbs you could be running mid 12.Oh's on regular gas and a reasonably power brake friendly cam.

You said you were going with an 18 spline and a Dana too. Nice upgrades but unless you have them already or intend a lot of track time with DOT slicks or better I would spend some of that money having Modern or Dwayne Porter optimize your Stealths. The tires will be the fuse that will protect your driveline. Dwayne would also be the go to guy to spec you the "right" cam for your project.

Kevin

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When looking at HP only, you make good points, Kevin. However, there is another side to the 500" coin. SHORT PISTONS with OIL SUPPORT RINGS. Source uses a 1.12 ht. piston for goodness sake! Not that it cant work, it will.... but for a street motor that is going to see mostly low RPM use, Its not the way I would go. The longevity OR reliability of a 500" short block won't be what a similarly built 470 would. The guys goals are low 12 second street car for goodness sake. Building a 500 cube short block that requires oil support rings for this desired performance level does not make sense to me. Besides, its not like 470 cubes is small. It would still be the biggest mill at most any cruise night burger stand.

My : 1)470 2)451

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My little 470 is a hoot to drive around and race and even w/275-280 @.050 duration, 8" vert and 1050 dommy, it idles and drives fine and doesn`t overheat..........

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If you can use a shelf piston have it bored to 4.375 , assuming it sonic checks ok , that is a standard oversize for 400 based strokers.

Assuming this hasn't been said.

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