Re: Ugh.. never ending! Front end alignment
[Re: Triple Threat]
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10/22/13 11:27 PM
10/22/13 11:27 PM
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MY opinion, just pay them to do it. To do the strut rods and Idler they're going to have a lot of it apart anyway. Just have them rebuild and align it, and you wont have to worry about it again for years. If they do half the work now, align it, and then you have to do more later, its going to need aligned again.
You're better off spending the $600 to have it done. Then take that weekend you would have spent rebuilding it this winter and go snap some pictures to pay for it. Judging by the 10 years it took to get to this point, you're better behind the lense, then you are with a wrench. Play to your strengths, and let those guys do the same.
nuff said
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Re: Ugh.. never ending! Front end alignment
[Re: Triple Threat]
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10/23/13 12:37 AM
10/23/13 12:37 AM
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GoodysGotaCuda
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MY opinion, just pay them to do it. To do the strut rods and Idler they're going to have a lot of it apart anyway. Just have them rebuild and align it, and you wont have to worry about it again for years. If they do half the work now, align it, and then you have to do more later, its going to need aligned again.
You're better off spending the $600 to have it done. Then take that weekend you would have spent rebuilding it this winter and go snap some pictures to pay for it. Judging by the 10 years it took to get to this point, you're better behind the lense, then you are with a wrench. Play to your strengths, and let those guys do the same.
^ Yep. It'll be good to go for quite awhile. You're almost there and are dealing with a part of the car that can dramatically make a difference in your driving experience [and safety].
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Re: Ugh.. never ending! Front end alignment
[Re: cal_gecko]
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10/23/13 10:15 AM
10/23/13 10:15 AM
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denfireguy
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good thing I've been keeping busy with photography work. This car is definitely over budget, but I'm fortunate enough to have 'extra income' that's paying for it all ..
I'll be swinging by the shop in the morning, and think I'll talk to them about having them do everything for me.
Ball joints should be good, I think I replaced those when I put the new BBP front brakes on .. heck, I wish I could remember what kind of car I got them from!!!
Do some research on Urethanes, there are threads on here about them. I am not happy with mine. They are squeaking already. Rubber may not last as long but Urethanes lasting longer with squeaks only prolongs the agony.
Craig
2014 Ram 1500 Laramie, 73 Cuda Previous mopars: 62 Valiant, 65 Fury III, 68 Fury III, 72 Satellite, 74 Satellite, 89 Acclaim, 98 Caravan, 2003 Durango Only previous Non-Mopar: Schwinn Tornado
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Re: Ugh.. never ending! Front end alignment
[Re: Kern Dog]
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10/24/13 02:14 AM
10/24/13 02:14 AM
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In 2003 when I rebuilt the suspension in the Charger, I went with urethane everywhere except in the LCAs. I remember reading that urethane lower control arm bushings transmit a bunch of vibration while providing minimal gains in handling. Earlier this year I decided to swap in a welded and reinforced k member that I worked on about a year ago. My lower bushings were already bad! I had maybe 8000-9000 miles on them! I think that the reason that they failed is because I probably installed them and tightened the lower control arm shaft nuts with the suspension at full droop. Once the car was on its tires, the bushing was at a "preload". I have since learned the correct way.... Anyhow, While I was replacing the K member, I also replaced the lower control arm bushings. I wanted more caster for better steering response, so I used Moog K-7103 upper control arm bushings. They are rubber, so now the only urethane I have in the front is the strut rods. Handling is better than ever and the ride is nice.
Good to know.. I think this is what I'm going to do - go with urethane in the strut rods and the Moog offset bushings for the UCA's and standard rubber for the LCA's.. is that pretty much it as far as the bushings and stuff that need to be replaced? Anything for the torsion bars?
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Re: Ugh.. never ending! Front end alignment
[Re: cal_gecko]
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10/25/13 02:25 AM
10/25/13 02:25 AM
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Jim_Lusk
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Frankenduster - thanks for the great responses!
I recall seeing somewhere that the factory strut rods may not be the proper length if used with urethane bushings - has anyone else experienced a problem with this?
Here's my list of stuff I'm looking at.. am I forgetting anything with a front suspension rebuild?
If lower and upper ball joints need to be replaced: (Qty 2) Moog K772 for Upper Ball Joint (for '73-'76 A-Body) (Qty 1) Moog K781 for Left Lower Ball Joint ('73-'76 A-Body) (Qty 1) Moog K783 for Right Lower Ball Joint ('73-'76 A-Body)
For Upper Control Arms: (Qty 2) Moog K7103 offset bushings (for '62-'76 A-Body), allow for more positive caster in the alignment than factory spec bushings
For Lower Control Arms: (Qty 2) Moog K791 ('62-'76 A-Body)
Pitman Arm: (Qty 1) Moog K7074 ('67-'72 A-Body with manual steering)
Idler Arm: (Qty 1) Arm: Moog K7042 ('68-'72 A-Body) (Qty 1) Bushing: Moog K7049 ('71-'76 A-Body)
Tie Rod Ends: (Qty 2) Moog ES401R (Right) ('70-'76 A-Body) (Qty 2) Moog ES 401L (Left) ('70-'76 A-Body)
Strut Rod Bushings: (unsure of QTY) Moog K7040 (’63-’72) (Will Urethane make a significant difference here with everything else being standard rubber?)
Upper Control Arm Bumper (QTY 2) Moog K7293
Lower Control Arm Bumpstop (QTY 2) Moog K3180
You will cuss louder and longer than you ever before when you try to install poly strut rod bushings (the one-piece style)...I did it ONCE, never again.
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Re: Ugh.. never ending! Front end alignment
[Re: Jim_Lusk]
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10/25/13 02:31 AM
10/25/13 02:31 AM
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cal_gecko
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You will cuss louder and longer than you ever before when you try to install poly strut rod bushings (the one-piece style)...I did it ONCE, never again.
Well, I'm planning on having them do all the work... but if it's not worth doing poly bushings, I'll have them do standard rubber ones.
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