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Innovate LM-1 sucking air? #1519153
10/17/13 08:26 PM
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I have a new exhaust and a bung welded to the header collector. Remflex header gaskets and the collector has a paper gasket sealed with copper RTV. I have calibrated the sensor with it hanging in thin air, not screwed into the collector, and it shows 20.9%. Dead on. I have even smeared the outside of the bung with copper RTV.

I cannot get the AFR to show consistently. I seem to be drawing in air from somewhere, I guess. The only thing that I haven't done is their "rule of thumb" and turn the unit on AFTER I start the engine.
At least when I shut it down at normal operating temp it shows 14.3 AFR.

Any ideas?


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Re: Innovate LM-1 sucking air? [Re: cdstl] #1519154
10/17/13 09:49 PM
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I have a used LM1 with a new bung but I ain't got it in yet. Either the header gaskets are leaking air or there's a problem with the LM1 or it's calibration which I ain't telling you anything you dont already know but here's a BTT for ya. I was a bit confused by the instruction booklet that came with it & I have the disc but have not looked at it yet.


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Re: Innovate LM-1 sucking air? [Re: cdstl] #1519155
10/17/13 10:19 PM
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If the engine is randomly misfiring it will show an erratic/lean AFR.

Also if the instructions specify a particular procedure there is usually a good reason for it.

Kevin

Re: Innovate LM-1 sucking air? [Re: cdstl] #1519156
10/17/13 11:36 PM
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My LM-1 fluctuates as well, but this is by 0.5 at most...more importantly though...at cruise speed, are you getting a steady reading?

I am differentiating between the two since a larger cam will have a much bigger impact on idle readings.

Re: Innovate LM-1 sucking air? [Re: Diplomat360] #1519157
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Quote:

My LM-1 fluctuates as well, but this is by 0.5 at most...more importantly though...at cruise speed, are you getting a steady reading?

I am differentiating between the two since a larger cam will have a much bigger impact on idle readings.




The problem is that I don't get a steady AFR reading. It keeps switching between AFR and the Lamda readings. So quickly that I can't even get the AFR.

I do seem to have a slight miss at times, that would explain why there is more O2 in the system and the meter switches between the two readings. I am going to clean the sensor, recalibrate it, and see what I get. I just borrowed this machine and hope to get an Edelbrock AirGap over the winter. Probably a new set of plug wires as well. I would have had to do this all over again but I thought what the heck, lets try it now.

One more time tomorrow and then I'm going to return it to its owner. The car runs really well but some fine tuning would help.

Thanks


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Re: Innovate LM-1 sucking air? [Re: cdstl] #1519158
10/18/13 04:36 AM
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The problem is that I don't get a steady AFR reading. It keeps switching between AFR and the Lamda readings. So quickly that I can't even get the AFR.




It sounds strange that it switches between AFR and Lambda by itself. It shouldn't do that I think.

I have the Innovate MTX-L and very satisfied with the function, I think a slight variation in the reading is normal.

Could it be that you have a problem with the grounding, or a problem with the power supply to the unit? That could explain the strange function with the switching display.


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The written directions are not great and the CD is not in the box with the machine. It could be the probe, there are a few guys online that changed the probe and it worked correctly. It's not my O2 sensor.

From what I can gather, if you are sucking some air or have a miss too much O2 is being introduced and would skew the readings. I don't think it should switch back and forth though.

Thanks


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Re: Innovate LM-1 sucking air? [Re: cdstl] #1519160
10/18/13 02:09 PM
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Here's a link for the LM1 manual if you don't have it.

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/support/manual/LM1_Manual.pdf

Kevin







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