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Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: BDW] #1497094
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Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1497095
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I have a pic of what I am working with but my home computer died a week ago & I'm on a borrowed office computer & I ain't figured how to upload pics onto it so I can post em but I'll get some help & post em later


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Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: RapidRobert] #1497096
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Robert,

Ive raced for several years and have never done anymore than screw the pickup in on any of my BB motors leaving an 1/8th inch space I might add.
My 66 dart consistently went into the low 9's.
If it makes you feel more secure you can put a tack weld on it.
If your not romping at the track 450 times a season don't worry about it.

Just the advice of a lowly BSEE!


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Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1497097
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It's a high rpm circle track 360. when you see the pic I am committed to where I am at. I am going to set the depth (probable 1/8") & weld it then reinstall the screen into the circular slit & tamp it down to crimp it in place. Thank you for (most ) of the replies. I'd like to weld 3 or 4 nuts of the right thickness on the bottom of the pickup to set the clearance exactly where I want it plus have everything supported.

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Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: RapidRobert] #1497098
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WoW!

You might have mentioned the circle track part.
I would think welding would be mandatory on your pictured set up.
Did you make a pan?
I wounder if you might have an issue with Cavitation because of the extreme 90's?
Perhaps Challenger1 has a great idea for your application.
Go drysump.
I hope it works out for you

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Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1497099
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I don't know anything about circle track 360s. Do they use pipe fittings like that?

They seem awfully heavy and weak, especially that closed nipple.

You can run a external belt driven pump with a wet sump pan, that what I did with a 572 BBC I used to run. It broke pickups off, it broke entire oil pumps off even with the brace installed. Tire shake in a dragster is brutal. I can't imagine a dirt track is any smoother?

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: RapidRobert] #1497100
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Quote:

It's a high rpm circle track 360. when you see the pic I am committed to where I am at. I am going to set the depth (probable 1/8") & weld it then reinstall the screen into the circular slit & tamp it down to crimp it in place. Thank you for (most ) of the replies. I'd like to weld 3 or 4 nuts of the right thickness on the bottom of the pickup to set the clearance exactly where I want it plus have everything supported.





If you are going to go with the set up you have pictured at least change to iron 90"s instead of galvanized. And if I was to do that that pick up ,I would get some tubing bent up , that iron pipe is just to heavy and will crack at the threads. I've welded up pickups similar to yours using 3 different pick ups to get the bends needed. never broke. Just my opinion.


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Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: rowin4] #1497101
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the main cause for oil pump fractures is due to solid motor mounts . [ you are using solids yes?] as far as the pick up tube goes, a thin wall tube would be much better and easier to support . I would braze a thin wall pickup to the pump and scrap the heavy wall pipe pictured . install the pump and the correct pickup so the pickup is slightly " above " the pan height , then with a 1/4" shim placed completely across the screen section of the pickup ,place the pan onto the engine and bolt it down . now remove the pan and braze the pickup and your clearance is set exactly where you want it. .............from one circle track racer to another !!

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: ek3] #1497102
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Yeah I'm not real comfortable with that thick wall stuff either. If you have a brand/part # for some thin wall material I'm all ears! The pump is tapped for 1/2 NPT so it'd have to work with that size


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Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: BDW] #1497103
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OMG - my concerns re vibration just quadrupled. You need to build this using 1/2 inch flex copper brazed to a pickup on one end, and a compression fitting to a male adapter on the other end. If rug up a bracket of some kind to the pump body to lock the compression fitting down and provide support tool.

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Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: RapidRobert] #1497104
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Quote:

Yeah I'm not real comfortable with that thick wall stuff either. If you have a brand/part # for some thin wall material I'm all ears! The pump is tapped for 1/2 NPT so it'd have to work with that size


canton or champ ,steffs is a great custom mfg check with them for tubing.. which/what pan do you have. you should be able to get a matching pickup for it. if the pump is drilled for 1/2 " , you should be able to get one in 1/2" or you will have to adapt it down to fit the matching pickup.

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: ek3] #1497105
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The pump is tapped for 1/2 pipe. I do not want to neck it down. I'm using a 392 pan which is a common "center" sump but more toward the front. I do have a std vol pump/matching pickup (for that pan) but I want (need) the hi vol pump tapped for 1/2 along with the other oiling mods. I will see what Steffs has. Thank you!


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