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which epoxy? JB weld or ? #1497074 09/06/13 12:02 PM 09/06/13 12:02 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert OP Circle Track
RapidRobert OP Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	oil pickup mods. What do you recommend I use? Thank you for your time. live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: RapidRobert] #1497075 09/06/13 03:01 PM 09/06/13 03:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376 D dogdays I Live Here
dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	I'm wondering why you are using epoxy at all. Please explain. R.

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: RapidRobert] #1497076 09/06/13 06:24 PM 09/06/13 06:24 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 654 MN astrobuf mopar
astrobuf mopar Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 654 MN	Do not leave epoxy exposed to oil, it will eventually swell and dislodge/debond. Why would you want to use an epoxy with a vibrating oil pump. Astrobuf So, are you really a Rocket Scientist?

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: RapidRobert] #1497077 09/06/13 09:12 PM 09/06/13 09:12 PM
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ek3 top fuel E Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,899 MYRTLE BEACH SOUTH CAROLINA	Quote: oil pickup mods. What do you recommend I use? Thank you for your time. gas weld it.

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: ek3] #1497078 09/09/13 11:43 AM 09/09/13 11:43 AM
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RapidRobert OP Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	OK, I will have it gas welded live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: RapidRobert] #1497079 09/09/13 05:06 PM 09/09/13 05:06 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 654 MN astrobuf mopar
astrobuf mopar Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 654 MN	be careful, it's quite difficult to gas weld cast iron. You might be better to braze the tube into the body. Less heat and less risk. http://www.toolsandgarages.com/index.php?topic=839.0 Astrobuf So, are you really a Rocket Scientist?

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: astrobuf] #1497080 09/09/13 05:18 PM 09/09/13 05:18 PM
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poboyengineering mopar Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 685 pennsylvania	Quote: be careful, it's quite difficult to gas weld cast iron. You might be better to braze the tube into the body. Less heat and less risk. http://www.toolsandgarages.com/index.php?topic=839.0 Astrobuf links like this are why I keep coming back! thanks so much.. It may be ugly, but it sure is slow. Girls comb their hair in rear view mirrors and the boys try to look so hard....

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: poboyengineering] #1497081 09/10/13 01:47 AM 09/10/13 01:47 AM
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,899 MYRTLE BEACH SOUTH CAROLINA E ek3 top fuel
ek3 top fuel E Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,899 MYRTLE BEACH SOUTH CAROLINA	I Meant braze..to many old timers around here called it torch welding and would say gas welding is the only real and true way to weld anything. old habits

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: RapidRobert] #1497082 09/10/13 02:35 AM 09/10/13 02:35 AM
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goldmember master G Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,501 Gainesville,FL	Pickup tubes are easy to mig or tig weld. I wouldn't think of a jb weld patch on on something that critical.

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: dogdays] #1497083 09/10/13 03:36 AM 09/10/13 03:36 AM
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goldmember master G Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,501 Gainesville,FL	Quote: I'm wondering why you are using epoxy at all. Please explain. R.

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: astrobuf] #1497084 09/10/13 06:44 AM 09/10/13 06:44 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN B BB65Barracuda super stock
BB65Barracuda super stock B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN	Quote: Do not leave epoxy exposed to oil, it will eventually swell and dislodge/debond. Why would you want to use an epoxy with a vibrating oil pump. Astrobuf Vibrating oil pump? It would seem If you have harmonics that severe his pick up would be the least of his worries. 1957 Power wagon wm300 original 10.000 mile truck, 1964 dodge Polara Convertible numbers matching

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1497085 09/10/13 09:15 AM 09/10/13 09:15 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 654 MN astrobuf mopar
astrobuf mopar Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 654 MN	Quote: Quote: Do not leave epoxy exposed to oil, it will eventually swell and dislodge/debond. Why would you want to use an epoxy with a vibrating oil pump. Astrobuf Vibrating oil pump? It would seem If you have harmonics that severe his pick up would be the least of his worries. An oil pump is a bit like a tuning fork. The pickup is flexible and has mass on the end. Take a hammer and bang on an oil pump, you'll see the pickup wiggle, especially at its resonant frequency. The engine firing pattern does the hammering. Astrobuf So, are you really a Rocket Scientist?

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: astrobuf] #1497086 09/10/13 10:08 AM 09/10/13 10:08 AM
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BB65Barracuda super stock B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN	Quote: Quote: Quote: Do not leave epoxy exposed to oil, it will eventually swell and dislodge/debond. Why would you want to use an epoxy with a vibrating oil pump. Astrobuf Vibrating oil pump? It would seem If you have harmonics that severe his pick up would be the least of his worries. An oil pump is a bit like a tuning fork. The pickup is flexible and has mass on the end. Take a hammer and bang on an oil pump, you'll see the pickup wiggle, especially at its resonant frequency. The engine firing pattern does the hammering. Astrobuf Hmmm! You sure sound convincing. 1957 Power wagon wm300 original 10.000 mile truck, 1964 dodge Polara Convertible numbers matching

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1497087 09/10/13 10:16 AM 09/10/13 10:16 AM
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Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Do not leave epoxy exposed to oil, it will eventually swell and dislodge/debond. Why would you want to use an epoxy with a vibrating oil pump. Astrobuf Vibrating oil pump? It would seem If you have harmonics that severe his pick up would be the least of his worries. An oil pump is a bit like a tuning fork. The pickup is flexible and has mass on the end. Take a hammer and bang on an oil pump, you'll see the pickup wiggle, especially at its resonant frequency. The engine firing pattern does the hammering. Astrobuf Hmmm! You sure sound convincing. I have broke off the entire oil pump from a BB chevy more than once from tire shake. They make a brace to keep it from happening, I fixed it for good by going with a belt driven external pump. When you start making power you learn about these things.

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: Challenger 1] #1497088 09/10/13 10:26 AM 09/10/13 10:26 AM
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BB65Barracuda super stock B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Do not leave epoxy exposed to oil, it will eventually swell and dislodge/debond. Why would you want to use an epoxy with a vibrating oil pump. Astrobuf Vibrating oil pump? It would seem If you have harmonics that severe his pick up would be the least of his worries. An oil pump is a bit like a tuning fork. The pickup is flexible and has mass on the end. Take a hammer and bang on an oil pump, you'll see the pickup wiggle, especially at its resonant frequency. The engine firing pattern does the hammering. Astrobuf Hmmm! You sure sound convincing. I have broke off the entire oil pump from a BB chevy more than once from tire shake. They make a brace to keep it from happening, I fixed it for good by going with a belt driven external pump. When you start making power you learn about these things. I agree with the tire shake issue, That is an effect from outside the engine. Im just not sure about the comparison of Banging on the case of a oil pump with a Hammer and resonant Harmonics from an oil pump operating as intended. 1957 Power wagon wm300 original 10.000 mile truck, 1964 dodge Polara Convertible numbers matching

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1497089 09/10/13 11:09 AM 09/10/13 11:09 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 654 MN astrobuf mopar
astrobuf mopar Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 654 MN	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Do not leave epoxy exposed to oil, it will eventually swell and dislodge/debond. Why would you want to use an epoxy with a vibrating oil pump. Astrobuf Vibrating oil pump? It would seem If you have harmonics that severe his pick up would be the least of his worries. An oil pump is a bit like a tuning fork. The pickup is flexible and has mass on the end. Take a hammer and bang on an oil pump, you'll see the pickup wiggle, especially at its resonant frequency. The engine firing pattern does the hammering. Astrobuf Hmmm! You sure sound convincing. I have broke off the entire oil pump from a BB chevy more than once from tire shake. They make a brace to keep it from happening, I fixed it for good by going with a belt driven external pump. When you start making power you learn about these things. I agree with the tire shake issue, That is an effect from outside the engine. Im just not sure about the comparison of Banging on the case of a oil pump with a Hammer and resonant Harmonics from an oil pump operating as intended. Trust me, I'm a Mechanical Engineer with an extensive background in structural mechanics ;p So, are you really a Rocket Scientist?

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: astrobuf] #1497090 09/10/13 12:46 PM 09/10/13 12:46 PM
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dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	So am I. To the disbelievers, there is A REASON why Chrysler supported the end of the pickup tube by placing it on the floor of the oil pan. But if you don't want to learn or understand, there's no help for you. R.

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: dogdays] #1497091 09/10/13 01:30 PM 09/10/13 01:30 PM
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BB65Barracuda super stock B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN	Sorry I'm just a lowly Electrical Engineer. Your intellect is obviously far superior to my own. I bow down before you! I'm pretty sure most all of the manufacturers support or have a distance they keep the pickup of the bottom of the pan so it stays submerged in the oil. Im pretty sure it is not recommended to set the pickup directly on the floor of the oil pan. 1957 Power wagon wm300 original 10.000 mile truck, 1964 dodge Polara Convertible numbers matching

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: dogdays] #1497092 09/10/13 01:34 PM 09/10/13 01:34 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 654 MN astrobuf mopar
astrobuf mopar Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 654 MN	Quote: So am I. To the disbelievers, there is A REASON why Chrysler supported the end of the pickup tube by placing it on the floor of the oil pan. But if you don't want to learn or understand, there's no help for you. R. It is indeed a much better design (as is usual for Chrysler) than the GM configuration where most of the experience with brazing the pickup was developed. I think this discussion started with the question of gluing the pickup in for reinforcement, a bad idea no matter what the design given the heat and oil exposure. Astrobuf So, are you really a Rocket Scientist?

Re: which epoxy? JB weld or ? [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1497093 09/10/13 02:31 PM 09/10/13 02:31 PM
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BDW master Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,704 Florida	Quote: Sorry I'm just a lowly Electrical Engineer. Don't you dare apologize, everyone knows mechanical engineers are the ones who couldn't cut it in the EE dept. Bazinga!

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