Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Hemi Conversion Schumaker Mounts Air grabber? Alignmen #147963
11/09/08 10:55 PM
11/09/08 10:55 PM
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,180
upstate western ny
sogtx Offline OP
master
sogtx  Offline OP
master

Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,180
upstate western ny
Have some slight alignment issues with my air grabber and hemi with schumaker mounts

Then I read this in regards to new manifold

" This new aluminum in-line Dual Quad Hemi Intake Manifold is based on the Marine/NASCAR version and is built from the
original tooling. Machined to accept aftermarket AFB or Holley carburetors (P4452778 rear, P4452779 front — see Fuel Systems
section of this catalog). Will fi t production 426 Hemi heads and has provisions for manifold heat and power brakes. It retains the
stock height of the production 1966–71 Street Hemi AFB intake manifold. Production AFB air cleaner baseplate/lid will need
to be changed or modifi ed. Some O.E. and aftermarket linkage components and fuel lines are needed to complete the installation.

Am I the only one ??

Disregard the manifold , I guess it only applies to marine manifolds ..

Last edited by sogtx; 11/10/08 10:00 PM.
Re: new hemi intk maniflds , Air grabber alignment 71 bbody [Re: sogtx] #147964
11/10/08 01:45 AM
11/10/08 01:45 AM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,124
A Red State
SNK-EYZ Online tonguue
I Live Here
SNK-EYZ  Online Tonguue
I Live Here

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,124
A Red State
What are the alignment issues you're having?

The marine intakes carb spacing (center to center) is wider compared to the production street Hemi intake.

But it's my understanding that was the only difference.


Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
Re: new hemi intk maniflds , Air grabber alignment 71 b [Re: SNK-EYZ] #147965
11/10/08 10:59 AM
11/10/08 10:59 AM
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,180
upstate western ny
sogtx Offline OP
master
sogtx  Offline OP
master

Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,180
upstate western ny
I guess I must have misread ..

My air grabber is off about 1/4" to the right of the center of the engine .. Maybe slightly more

I didnt realize the manifold I looked at was a marine manifold , I thought that all the repop
intakes required mods to the baseplate ,,

More investigation , Thanks

Re: new hemi intk maniflds , Air grabber alignment 71 b [Re: sogtx] #147966
11/10/08 11:41 AM
11/10/08 11:41 AM
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,180
upstate western ny
sogtx Offline OP
master
sogtx  Offline OP
master

Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,180
upstate western ny
Also forgot to mention Im using a Year one fiberglass baseplate ..

That might be the probelm not sure ..

Re: new hemi intk maniflds , Air grabber alignment 71 b [Re: sogtx] #147967
11/10/08 12:15 PM
11/10/08 12:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 74,937
U.S.S.A.
JohnRR Offline
I Win
JohnRR  Offline
I Win

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 74,937
U.S.S.A.
The first problem is probably the schumacher monuts , when you have to deal with alignment to underhood ductwork you really need to go with original parts or accurate reproductions .




Re: new hemi intk maniflds , Air grabber alignment 71 b [Re: JohnRR] #147968
11/10/08 01:44 PM
11/10/08 01:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,976
Chilliwack B.C. Canada
R
RUNCHARGER Offline
I Live Here
RUNCHARGER  Offline
I Live Here
R

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,976
Chilliwack B.C. Canada
I understand the Schumacher mounts do not mount the Hemi in the stock position.
If you have the "Marine" manifold the carb spacing will not allow you to use a stock aircleaner.

Sheldon

Re: new hemi intk maniflds , Air grabber alignment 71 b [Re: RUNCHARGER] #147969
11/10/08 08:27 PM
11/10/08 08:27 PM
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,180
upstate western ny
sogtx Offline OP
master
sogtx  Offline OP
master

Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,180
upstate western ny
As I stated before - i goofed I dont have a marine manifold, i just read the wrong description in a sales ad for street manifolds . Thought tehy might all require mods to baseplate ..


Do the Schumakers shift the engine left or right ?

Or just up ?


Re: new hemi intk maniflds , Air grabber alignment 71 b [Re: sogtx] #147970
11/10/08 10:04 PM
11/10/08 10:04 PM
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,180
upstate western ny
sogtx Offline OP
master
sogtx  Offline OP
master

Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,180
upstate western ny
I just got back in and checking left and right backwards and forward ,, The fan does not seem to be exactly EVEn in the shroud ..

The driver side of engine seems to sit up higher

The wingnuts of my lid are not on center of my air grabber ..

Are the air boxes offset ? It doesn't seem so ..

Any one else ..

Re: new hemi intk maniflds , Air grabber alignment 71 b [Re: sogtx] #147971
11/10/08 10:13 PM
11/10/08 10:13 PM
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,180
upstate western ny
sogtx Offline OP
master
sogtx  Offline OP
master

Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,180
upstate western ny
Just read this from a post in 2006

" i dropped a hemi in a 72 Road Runner with a A/grabber hood. parts i used. mopar performance siamese hemi block, old style stage 5 hemi heads without a bolt hole for the alternator. indy 16 bolt single plane intake modified by milling 1/2" of the top. mopar performance valve covers, TTI big tube headers repo bower brake booster and bracket of un-known manufacturer, big bolck fluid dampner, stock 400 pulleys, flex tube dip stick, mopar performance mini starter, shumacher conversion mounts on a 400 K member. with the shumacher mounts the motor sits a bit to the passenger side and a bit higher than stock. the valve covers clear the right shock tower but the rub when i stand on it. DON'T buy the big tube TTI headers. they aren't worth the headaches on a street car. i have a buddy who has a 71 charger with the A/C mounted in the stock location. he had to modify the A/G base to get it to fit but it fits now. i am not sure how it would fit with a shaker aircleaner. he clears the A/C blower motor motor with cast valve covers also without mods. all i can say is PLAN in advance and go to the big shows and look for builds like you plan to do and ask alot of questions to the people who have done it before, nothing beats seeing instalations first hand instead of looking at pics. "



I dont know how many hours I have into this BS

I know, I must have a deviated hemi block ...
just like we cant fit a keisler in an aar ..

For Trade One 71 GTX with a crooked hemi for a 2009 challenger ..

Re: new hemi intk maniflds , Air grabber alignment 71 b [Re: sogtx] #147972
11/11/08 12:47 AM
11/11/08 12:47 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,976
Chilliwack B.C. Canada
R
RUNCHARGER Offline
I Live Here
RUNCHARGER  Offline
I Live Here
R

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,976
Chilliwack B.C. Canada
I knew I read it on here. Can you shim it somehow? Maybe modify a mount, there's always a way to fix aftermarket screwups.

Sheldon

Re: Hemi Conversion Schumaker Mounts Air grabber? Alignmen [Re: sogtx] #147973
11/11/08 01:20 AM
11/11/08 01:20 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,069
Washington State
70Duster440 Offline
super stock
70Duster440  Offline
super stock

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,069
Washington State
Contact Schumacher and ask for a set of shims (for biscuit mounts). It's not unusual - they'll know what you're talking about. If they weren't included with your kit they will probably send them no charge. A shim on one side or the other will not only level the engine but help center things up top.

Re: Hemi Conversion Schumaker Mounts Air grabber? Alignmen [Re: 70Duster440] #147974
11/11/08 07:15 AM
11/11/08 07:15 AM
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,180
upstate western ny
sogtx Offline OP
master
sogtx  Offline OP
master

Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,180
upstate western ny
I would assume that any shim would only raise the engine higher ..

Re: Hemi Conversion Schumaker Mounts Air grabber? Alignmen [Re: sogtx] #147975
11/11/08 09:44 AM
11/11/08 09:44 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 74,937
U.S.S.A.
JohnRR Offline
I Win
JohnRR  Offline
I Win

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 74,937
U.S.S.A.
Quote:

I would assume that any shim would only raise the engine higher ..




yep .

contact megaparts , order a repop K and the CORRECT engine brackets , there ARE differences and you're done .


Re: Hemi Conversion Schumaker Mounts Air grabber? Alignmen [Re: JohnRR] #147976
11/11/08 10:48 PM
11/11/08 10:48 PM
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,180
upstate western ny
sogtx Offline OP
master
sogtx  Offline OP
master

Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,180
upstate western ny
That would be the correct way ..

Schumaker said theyd fix anything as necessary .. quite a gentleman tech support was good ..

Arruza said 25 years not one complaint ..

Hemi kframe is $ 435 dollars difference + shipping ..

I gotta try Arruzas first ..

Re: Hemi Conversion Schumaker Mounts Air grabber? Alignmen [Re: sogtx] #147977
11/11/08 11:42 PM
11/11/08 11:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 74,937
U.S.S.A.
JohnRR Offline
I Win
JohnRR  Offline
I Win

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 74,937
U.S.S.A.
Quote:

That would be the correct way ..

Schumaker said theyd fix anything as necessary .. quite a gentleman tech support was good ..

Arruza said 25 years not one complaint ..

Hemi kframe is $ 435 dollars difference + shipping ..

I gotta try Arruzas first ..




you built a F.A.S. T . LEGAL HEMI and you are crying over 435 bucks

sorry but thats

do it ONCE , do it RIGHT ... but that's just me

Re: new hemi intk maniflds , Air grabber alignment 71 b [Re: RUNCHARGER] #147978
11/11/08 11:44 PM
11/11/08 11:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,976
Chilliwack B.C. Canada
R
RUNCHARGER Offline
I Live Here
RUNCHARGER  Offline
I Live Here
R

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,976
Chilliwack B.C. Canada
Is the Arruzza mount the old "NHOA Mickey Mouse mount"? If it is then it perfectly mounted a Hemi in an E-body with a shaker for me. I still have one downstairs for a future project.

Sheldon

Re: new hemi intk maniflds , Air grabber alignment 71 b [Re: JohnRR] #147979
11/12/08 01:24 AM
11/12/08 01:24 AM
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 18,157
Mass
DAYCLONA Offline
I Live Here
DAYCLONA  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 18,157
Mass
Quote:

The first problem is probably the schumacher monuts , when you have to deal with alignment to underhood ductwork you really need to go with original parts or accurate reproductions .












When I did the G-Series 71 wingcars, all 3 used 472 crate Hemis using shumacher conversion mounts on the B/RB K frame (which I assume Andy is using?)...running factory airgrabber hoods Dodge/Plymouth......along with my custom Hemi 6Pak cast Aluminum intakes, using Mopar Performance stock aircleaners, and factory airboxes.....everything lined up fine, and that was even throwing in a custom manifold......only install problem was TTI headers.....I don't think the Shumacher mounts are the issuse

Re: new hemi intk maniflds , Air grabber alignment 71 b [Re: sogtx] #147980
11/12/08 01:26 AM
11/12/08 01:26 AM
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 18,157
Mass
DAYCLONA Offline
I Live Here
DAYCLONA  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 18,157
Mass
2

Re: Hemi Conversion Schumaker Mounts Air grabber? Alignmen [Re: sogtx] #147981
11/12/08 01:27 AM
11/12/08 01:27 AM
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 18,157
Mass
DAYCLONA Offline
I Live Here
DAYCLONA  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 18,157
Mass
3

Re: new hemi intk maniflds , Air grabber alignment 71 b [Re: RUNCHARGER] #147982
11/12/08 01:48 AM
11/12/08 01:48 AM
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 12,129
Cleveland
sunroofgtx Offline
I Live Here
sunroofgtx  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 12,129
Cleveland
Quote:

Is the Arruzza mount the old "NHOA Mickey Mouse mount"? If it is then it perfectly mounted a Hemi in an E-body with a shaker for me. I still have one downstairs for a future project.

Sheldon




I agree with Sheldon. I also have the Arruzza's. It looks to fit my airgrabber sweetly. I'll know this winter. I gotta shim the K member down to fit my Dominator and milled 426-3.


Join the quickest team in motorsports. Team FireCore. CustomWiresets.com
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1