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Re: 383 starter size problem
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08/02/13 10:23 PM
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Back in my auto parts days a p/n2250 starter fit all bigblocks except HEMI.
Do you have the cast iron bell or the aluminum bell?
The cast iron needs the 143 tooth flywheel and the aluminum needs a 130 tooth
Guarantee that part number would not have fit my 64 300, 413, A745 manual trans. It required a direct drive starter.
I guess I have to be more exact in my replies.
Never in a million years would a 64 anything be on my mind.
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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08/05/13 06:23 PM
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Ok so I have counted the teeth... 130, I have measured the bellhousing...13 3/4 so it is an 11 inch. Therefore it must be the starter. I will be pulling it. Thanks to those who were helpful.
SORRY TYPO.... it is 15 3/4. Alum original bell housing. 130 teeth flywheel. The starter still hits the flywheel. I am out of town on business and plan to pull the starter Saturday. Makes no sense to me that it isn't lined up and engageing.
Wondering if you found the problem.
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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08/05/13 11:04 PM
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Ok so I have counted the teeth... 130, I have measured the bellhousing...13 3/4 so it is an 11 inch. Therefore it must be the starter. I will be pulling it. Thanks to those who were helpful.
SORRY TYPO.... it is 15 3/4. Alum original bell housing. 130 teeth flywheel. The starter still hits the flywheel. I am out of town on business and plan to pull the starter Saturday. Makes no sense to me that it isn't lined up and engageing.
Wondering if you found the problem.
Ok ..I have been working on these cars for 40 + years and never ran into this. I finally got the starter out after removing just about everything to get the hooker headers out of the way so I could pull the starter. Starter is correct big block starter. Bell housing is alum original style. 15 3/4 from bolt to bolt. Flywheel is 130 teeth ..BUT! The flywheel hits the housing of the starter and the gear from the starter hit the side of the flywheel and cannot in gage!
AAAHHHGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!
No part number on bell housing, no way to measure the flywheel. Going to the Mopar Nats with measurements to see what I can find out. God I am pissed!
Might check with Wayne Brewer at the Nats and see what he thinks. Sounds like you have a 10-1/2" flywheel. I can't understand why it would hit in a 11" bell. Thought maybe he would have responded to this thread by now,maybe too busy getting ready for the Nats. Thanks for the update. Have a safe trip i'm leaving thur morning myself. 
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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08/06/13 02:30 AM
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The casting number is on the bellhousing in one of the recessed holes on the aluminum bellhousings  , it will read like 2974345 or someything similar. It will also have a code for the date and time it was cast on Write the casting number down and I will tell you which year and application that bellhousing is for
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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08/06/13 09:06 AM
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I will check for part number again. Here is a pic I took last night. It shows the flywheel position in relation to the hole for the snout of the starter. You can see it over laps.
Also can anyone measure from the bottom of the block to the edge of your flywheel. That seems to be a measurement that can be accurate enough to tell if the flywheel is too big. PLEASE????
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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08/06/13 09:49 PM
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I will check for part number again. Here is a pic I took last night. It shows the flywheel position in relation to the hole for the snout of the starter. You can see it over laps.
Also can anyone measure from the bottom of the block to the edge of your flywheel. That seems to be a measurement that can be accurate enough to tell if the flywheel is too big. PLEASE????
Sorry but even Helen Keller knows that flywheel has to come out, is it just me?, or is that flywheel mounted "backwards"? 
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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08/06/13 10:28 PM
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I will check for part number again. Here is a pic I took last night. It shows the flywheel position in relation to the hole for the snout of the starter. You can see it over laps.
Also can anyone measure from the bottom of the block to the edge of your flywheel. That seems to be a measurement that can be accurate enough to tell if the flywheel is too big. PLEASE????
Sorry but even Helen Keller knows that flywheel has to come out, is it just me?, or is that flywheel mounted "backwards"?
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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08/06/13 10:59 PM
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I will check for part number again. Here is a pic I took last night. It shows the flywheel position in relation to the hole for the snout of the starter. You can see it over laps.
Also can anyone measure from the bottom of the block to the edge of your flywheel. That seems to be a measurement that can be accurate enough to tell if the flywheel is too big. PLEASE????
Sorry but even Helen Keller knows that flywheel has to come out, is it just me?, or is that flywheel mounted "backwards"?
Does look like it is in backwards ... 
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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08/07/13 02:48 AM
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That makes several of us. I was looking at the picture and it just didn't look right. If the flywheel is on backwards, how the heck could he bolt on the clutch and pressure plate? 
The pressure plate holes on flywheels are generally drilled thru and tapped, not blind holes, so in reality you could bolt the pressure plate on the "reverse" side,... here's the McLeod steel Bblk Mopar flywheel, looks to me the ring gear should be towards the engine side....
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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08/07/13 03:45 AM
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I will check for part number again. Here is a pic I took last night. It shows the flywheel position in relation to the hole for the snout of the starter. You can see it over laps.
Also can anyone measure from the bottom of the block to the edge of your flywheel. That seems to be a measurement that can be accurate enough to tell if the flywheel is too big. PLEASE????
Your fly wheel is on backwards. Ring gear goes toward the engine . Or at least it does on mine. Was curious had to look at mine.LOL
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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08/07/13 08:54 AM
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OMG!!!!!! What an idiot! Well that settles that. Thanks for your help guys. Even with it in backwards it still has to be the wrong size. I know what I will be buying at the Nats!
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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08/07/13 12:14 PM
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OMG!!!!!! What an idiot! Well that settles that. Thanks for your help guys. Even with it in backwards it still has to be the wrong size. I know what I will be buying at the Nats!
Can't tell from the pic but would it hit the starter housing if the flywheel was turned around?
If I had time I think I would pull the trans and check. If you have a 130 tooth F wheel and a 11" bell I don't see how it would. If this was the case you'd need a 11" flywheel anyway. Just make SURE what you have before you buy another flywheel.
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