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Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: kens avenger] #146663
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I have indy maxx alum hemi block
has anybody else noticed how small the oil return holes from the heads are in the block?
I have looked at world alum and kieth black and they are considerably larger
I cannot fit a 5/16 drill in the holes
I have been having oil return problems with mine
I asked ken at indy if I could drill them out and he said he wouldnt

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: 605hemi] #146664
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I always thought the Indy block was real beefy.

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: B1Fish540] #146665
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If your having issues with oil return to the sump you can add external oil return lines from the heads to the pan or just add a accusump system.

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: B1Fish540] #146666
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OT a bit. I have read about Indy and the customer service some have received. I bought an oil pan/pickup/pump (yeah, cheap and easy part) at MATS. I called them Monday with a question. They were helpful, returned with the information I needed and were very nice, especially since
I was mistaken and the pan was right. One small sale, but the service after the sale was 180 out from many of the comments here.

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: RodStRace] #146667
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The last time I taked to Ken at the MATS a couple of years ago, he told me that the aluminum blocks in a 572 were only good for a few rebuilds. He was also telling me that their 655 and 604's along with their 572's were only good for 50 passes and the needed to be gone through. I have a World block and I have 2 KB's. They are both nice, but I don't have any real experience with tghe Indy. They have pizzed me off so bad in the past, I wouldn't want to put any money in their pockets. Nothing with you Bob, and I have heard before to deal with the Indy dealers, if you want their stuff. Oh....and the reason I asked Ken about the block, is because a freind of mine had one that had gone soft. I am using it for a mock up block now.

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: B G Racing] #146668
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yes I realize that but the point is the holes are smaller than the other block manufacturers.
making the indy block inferior in one of the most important areas of a block..oiling.

and I was wondering if anybody else was drilling them to match the bigger holes the other manufacturers have so I wouldnt have to add more external lines
I believe the holes are smaller even than the factory block

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: 605hemi] #146669
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just askin but how can anybody look at a block and say its stronger! it may look stronger but is it really... it seems "theory" is the cause of alot of arguments on here in all kinds of threads with no proven data to back it up... just sayin!

so what is the max HP of the indy block? also what is the max HP of the world block . does anyone have any proven data on this (other than looks)


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Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: moparniac] #146670
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just askin but how can anybody look at a block and say its stronger! it may look stronger but is it really... it seems "theory" is the cause of alot of arguments on here in all kinds of threads with no proven data to back it up... just sayin!

so what is the max HP of the indy block? also what is the max HP of the world block . does anyone have any proven data on this (other than looks)



My World B1 motor nade 1017HP. But I'm sure you are asking about more than that. I am sure someone out there has one of both blocks in a blown or NOS application. That would tell the story for sure.

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: camastomcat] #146671
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I have an Indy block purchased in 2002. It has been in street & strip use ever since, maybe about 20000 street miles nad numerous of passes at the strip (& street) Last time dynoed the engine made 1571 hp and 1536 ft-lb, it has been this way for three years now. Not a single block problem yet.


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Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: jyrki] #146672
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I remember go green had issues with sleeves! Can't remember what block but he makes big power,,, I guess everything and anything could have issues!


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Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: 605hemi] #146673
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yes I realize that but the point is the holes are smaller than the other block manufacturers.
making the indy block inferior in one of the most important areas of a block..oiling.

and I was wondering if anybody else was drilling them to match the bigger holes the other manufacturers have so I wouldnt have to add more external lines
I believe the holes are smaller even than the factory block




on my first build i was running out of oil (12 quarts) on most passes, i had to overfill so i could make it to the finish. second build i opened them up a little more & restricted rocker arm flow. this improved things a bit, didn't need to overfill but still had to slip into N straight after a run as the pressure was dropping. third build i opened them up to 5/8(it's my biggest drill),no more running out of oil now, never seen more than 20 psi(rare) drop since the mod, but am planning to go dry sump in the near future.

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: rebel] #146674
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I would rather use top end restricter, return lines or a accusump system then flood the rotating assembly with return oil.Our own Indy aluminium blocks have literally 4 to 6 seasons on them and 100s of passes,the last count my 588" had 686 passes and Don's 605" was approaching over 500 passes.Pap Ross,Chaz and other have the same reliability. Go figure

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: B G Racing] #146675
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I would rather use top end restricter, return lines or a accusump system then flood the rotating assembly with return oil.Our own Indy aluminium blocks have literally 4 to 6 seasons on them and 100s of passes,the last count my 588" had 686 passes and Don's 605" was approaching over 500 passes.Pap Ross,Chaz and other have the same reliability. Go figure




On the wide pan rail Indy block. Is indy the only ones that make a pan for it? (Dragster style)
Bob, your making me lean toward a 605 instead of a 572 for our Dragster. No power adders.

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: supercomp] #146676
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I would rather use top end restricter, return lines or a accusump system then flood the rotating assembly with return oil.Our own Indy aluminium blocks have literally 4 to 6 seasons on them and 100s of passes,the last count my 588" had 686 passes and Don's 605" was approaching over 500 passes.Pap Ross,Chaz and other have the same reliability. Go figure




On the wide pan rail Indy block. Is indy the only ones that make a pan for it? (Dragster style)
Bob, your making me lean toward a 605 instead of a 572 for our Dragster. No power adders.




As far as I'am concerned the 572" is an orphan,it does not show any gain from a 540".If your going to build for big cubic inch power than 600+" would be my choise and that's still small for todays standards.Charlies' Pans and others build the wide pans.Even with the standard pan rail we have solved the oil return and pressure problems with the afore mentioned,restricters,external lines or accusumps.

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: rebel] #146677
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so you have an alum indy maxx water block
and you have safely drilled the oil returns with no water jacket issues?
that is what I want to do

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: 605hemi] #146678
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so you have an alum indy maxx water block
and you have safely drilled the oil returns with no water jacket issues?
that is what I want to do




Lets be sure which oil hole that are being referred to:the ones in the lifter valley or the ones at the lower corners of the heads.The ones in the heads have a offset to align up causing a slight restriction.make sure that these hole are free from any silicone and gasket interference.

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Re: World VS INDY alum blocks #146680
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I have milodon drag pan 10 qt
4.75 stroke 4.5 bore 605ci hemi
running about 80psi oil pressure.
by the end of 1/4 mile at 7000 rpm
oil press fluctuates then drops to 15-20
at about the time I let off.
and thats all it takes and a couple of rod bearings are out
to me it is pumping all the oil out of pan and not returning fast enough
wouldnt you say?
and since hemis are known for oil return problems
that sounds like the key.

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: B G Racing] #146681
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it is the oil return holes in block at the four corners of deck surface
you are correct they are offset from the head holes about half the hole and much smaller than the head holes
from looking at world and kieth black they have corrected this but not indy
wondering if I could drill them bigger without causing water jacket problems

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