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Re: World VS INDY alum blocks #146643
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They MUST be good because nobody ever sells any used ones.....

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: Bubba] #146644
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Oh there are some used ones out there...I sold one not to long ago myself.


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Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: Al_Alguire] #146645
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There are a few used ones for sale,and yes there are some out there that have problems.Since we repair blocks we see many blocks of all manufacture that have serious problems.Most all the issues were not related to the manufacturing of the block,most were due to incorrect machine work, incorrect assembly,incorrect or wrong application,and abuse.Usually when some one screws up they look to place fault elseware. We have never had to return a single Indy Max block for warrenty or repair.

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: B G Racing] #146646
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I agree Bob. I have used the Indy Maxx blocks and have had no issues with any of them. I personally like them. They are a good piece when used for their intended applications.


As far as KB goes, they made an excellent piece. BTW, I recieved a call the other day from a source that says KB may have been/ or going to be bought and moved to Iowa. Lets hope that is the case.


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Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: Al_Alguire] #146647
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Unfortunetly most of the ones I've came across are already 4.50" I was hoping more would show up before I buy a new Iron World Block.

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Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: The Shadow] #146649
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I think first thing is to compare the world race block to the indy block. Although it doesn't change much in the strength factor it has some better options like bushed lifter bores and dual bell housing bolt patterns. Indy has a larger skirt and the fifth main is cross bolted.
Some peoples opinion may be the indy block is stronger but unless you were in the design room it's only speculation. Looks can be deceiving. Something like the quality of the block material can throw that theory out the window
Most will never run either block close to their limits




The only problem with Indy is the people at Indy .. I will stop there. as for the lifter bores being bushed thats just machine work. just look in that area.. The Indy wins hands down with some of the high spring Psi ran.. some are close to or over 1000 psi over the nose. the indy is stronger in that area. look at the front 1 cylinder side lifer bores ..As for the Dual bell pattern thats nice but most aftermarket cases come with a Mopar opt. again No biggie.. Look at the main webbing. All I did was post this to see what people have seen and there thoughts .. were not in on the Design..... were the end users.. BOB when I do buy another block.. its thru you .I can't deal with the Edit over at ---Y..

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Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: kens avenger] #146650
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Please.... No pissing matchs .. Just thoughts and what you've seen


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Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: Bubba] #146651
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Unfortunetly most of the ones I've came across are already 4.50" I was hoping more would show up before I buy a new Iron World Block.


That's what sleeves are for.And for WV Charger,BGR guys will be forming a line for you and Pap.

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: Bubba] #146652
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BG, How do you find the finish machine work from Indy? (Not as delivered by you to customer, but right off the pallet?) I know the finish work ont eh KBs was always very good, or made very good by them at no cost to the buyer(on two occasions that I know of). I've seen indy heads first han. Are the blocks on par with them, or can they be run hard as delivered?


Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: B G Racing] #146653
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Not me just pap you leave me out of that deal

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: kens avenger] #146654
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Please.... No pissing matchs .. Just thoughts and what you've seen


No pissing match here.Indy has a great bunch of dealers and WDs right here on the site.

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: moper] #146655
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Moper Mine came with a tag .. wash and assemble...we checked it.. some of it was off and I was mad at them to start .. so I didn't call back .. I was mad at them over a oil pan deal.. I have talked to Russ since then ..but what was off was the line bore and some of the finish hone..

would they have made it right like i said I didn't call back at the time


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Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: kens avenger] #146656
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Thanks Ken, That's what I'm curious about and the last Indy block I saw was when they had one of the prototypes on display...lol. A while ago...


Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: kens avenger] #146657
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Please.... No pissing matches .. Just thoughts and what you've seen



Here is a thought at what I see. The indy lifter bore area looks superior to the world but when you look underneath how the skirt area is so much larger than the world block, is all that material needed to keep the block from moving around?
All that material is in the valley area for a reason. .
If the lifter bore valley was a true problem than world would have made it beefier.


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The tight skirt area is a concern with stock and after market blocks.This is an area that traps oil around the rotateing assembly and cause a lot of oil to be thrown on the cylinder walls and cam.This area is the cause of some of the loss of oil pressure at the big end.The Indy wide pan blocks allows the oil to migrate further away from the rotateing assembly and returning to the sump quicker.

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The tight skirt area is a concern with stock and after market blocks.This is an area that traps oil around the rotateing assembly and cause a lot of oil to be thrown on the cylinder walls and cam.This area is the cause of some of the loss of oil pressure at the big end.The Indy wide pan blocks allows the oil to migrate further away from the rotateing assembly and returning to the sump quicker.





Thanks BG, I learn something new everyday

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: cudabunch] #146660
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The tight skirt area is a concern with stock and after market blocks.This is an area that traps oil around the rotateing assembly and cause a lot of oil to be thrown on the cylinder walls and cam.This area is the cause of some of the loss of oil pressure at the big end.The Indy wide pan blocks allows the oil to migrate further away from the rotateing assembly and returning to the sump quicker.





Thanks BG, I learn something new everyday


We a constantly learning also,and are glad to pass on what we learn.As far as the blocks we get from Indy,they are quality and any changes we make are our decisions for our or our customers specific needs.As a end user or representative to the end user we are responsible for the products final state.We some times supply unfinished blocks to other builders.With that being said,since we don't live in a perfect world and crap is known to happen,we stand behind our work and Indy stands behind us on their product.What few and minor issues we have had in our almost ten year relationship has always been resolved satisfactorly and professionally.I don't see the issues of customer service that most complain of.From Carrie,Jim,Sam,Ken and Russ at Indy I can only say that they are friendly,curtious,helpful and professional in our busniess relationship.They meet our criteria of a great manufacture and supplier of products and BGR meets their criteria for a good customer,we use their products and pay our bills.I don't get any better than that.

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The tight skirt area is a concern with stock and after market blocks.This is an area that traps oil around the rotateing assembly and cause a lot of oil to be thrown on the cylinder walls and cam.This area is the cause of some of the loss of oil pressure at the big end.The Indy wide pan blocks allows the oil to migrate further away from the rotateing assembly and returning to the sump quicker.





Thanks BG, I learn something new everyday


We a constantly learning also,and are glad to pass on what we learn.As far as the blocks we get from Indy,they are quality and any changes we make are our decisions for our or our customers specific needs.As a end user or representative to the end user we are responsible for the products final state.We some times supply unfinished blocks to other builders.With that being said,since we don't live in a perfect world and crap is known to happen,we stand behind our work and Indy stands behind us on their product.What few and minor issues we have had in our almost ten year relationship has always been resolved satisfactorly and professionally.I don't see the issues of customer service that most complain of.From Carrie,Jim,Sam,Ken and Russ at Indy I can only say that they are friendly,curtious,helpful and professional in our busniess relationship.They meet our criteria of a great manufacture and supplier of products and BGR meets their criteria for a good customer,we use their products and pay our bills.I don't get any better than that.

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks [Re: B G Racing] #146662
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The tight skirt area is a concern with stock and after market blocks.This is an area that traps oil around the rotateing assembly and cause a lot of oil to be thrown on the cylinder walls and cam.This area is the cause of some of the loss of oil pressure at the big end.The Indy wide pan blocks allows the oil to migrate further away from the rotateing assembly and returning to the sump quicker.


I agree. Most people think it is for stroke clearance. It will show about 15-20 horse on the dyno.
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