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Re: Airwolf heads
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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06/16/13 12:16 AM
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The Indybrocks ARE offset. Stock small block rockers DON'T fit them
So one is required to buy some form of BIGBLOCK rocker to fit them because of the 150 offset they have that a stock small block head doesn't have
So if you buy Indybrocks you have to buy something you wouldn't have as a small block guy
And if you are using a performance cam you are going to end up with big block Harland Sharps or some other rocker, just like you would use on any quality build
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8
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Re: Airwolf heads
[Re: B3422W5]
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06/16/13 06:37 PM
06/16/13 06:37 PM
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Not trying to go off-topic here, but did somebody say the rumored Edelbrock Victors have been back-burnered indefinately? Why can't somebody just re-make (or reverse engineer) a good quality last production run (the good one) W5? The Airwolf my  is a great head for what I paid for the set I have, whether my particular combo will tap the full potential of them we'll see (my car is going over to the Daurity shop in a week to try to fit up the 1 7/8" TTI's for a start), but I do think they could be a good candidate to an offset rocker, not to just remove the pinch, but to allow the port to widen way out along the lines of the old pro-stock W2's. Probably could get 325-330 out of them at a still reasonable lift and maybe a proportionally larger valve. I'd been kinda out of the small block stuff for 20 yrs, got frustrated with all the poor MP quality control for a lot of that time. But I'm back into them now and it seems there's a lot of potential for the right casting to come along that allows for a true "mild to wild" built...I suppose something similar to how Indy approached the EZ/EZ-1. Also wish we could get dart or someone to cast a big bore 4 bolt 48 degree in the 1500-1700 range like all the Chevy/ford stuff that's out there. I think maybe the LS stuff is so good and so plentiful it's really overshadowing the whole aftermarket now.
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Re: Airwolf heads
[Re: Streetwize]
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06/16/13 09:11 PM
06/16/13 09:11 PM
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I know for a fact the victor sb head is not dead. It got derailed for a bit., but it will be made.
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Re: Airwolf heads
[Re: justinp61]
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04/14/14 03:02 PM
04/14/14 03:02 PM
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My rocky's got the Airwolfs but I have a low lift Broomstick cam that doesn't really take advantage of them. The 414 went a real easy 11.16 @ 119 in my 3000 lb w/d Rocky with a slow-n-easy 1.69 60' time. Same motor/drivetrain would likely go 10.70's at 123+ in my old Duster or Dart at the same weight even with the .585/.570 (gross, maybe .545/.530 net) 1.5 rocker cam. I like them but the Rocky's .65 Drag coefficient is not gonna show you the ET's they're capable of.  I bought them since they were a net $500.00 upgrade from my old SDSS Ported eddies that were just a little too small port wise for the 440" I was planning.
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Re: Airwolf heads
[Re: Streetwize]
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04/14/14 07:06 PM
04/14/14 07:06 PM
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My rocky's got the Airwolfs but I have a low lift Broomstick cam that doesn't really take advantage of them.
The 414 went a real easy 11.16 @ 119 in my 3000 lb w/d Rocky with a slow-n-easy 1.69 60' time. Same motor/drivetrain would likely go 10.70's at 123+ in my old Duster or Dart at the same weight even with the .585/.570 (gross, maybe .545/.530 net) 1.5 rocker cam. I like them but the Rocky's .65 Drag coefficient is not gonna show you the ET's they're capable of.
I bought them since they were a net $500.00 upgrade from my old SDSS Ported eddies that were just a little too small port wise for the 440" I was planning.
Not real promising from the look of it( the airwolfs)
As an example I used to have a 3450 pound combo that went 10.74 with mildly ported eddies( peak flow 274@600) and a comp flat tappet that was 598/623 with with 1.6 rockers I used. This with a 727.
So with the airwolfs fully ported and in a 400 pound + lighter car and not running even the above ET, they seem down on power.
The above 10.74 was at about 124 with the small Tti step headers and muffs at 11.5 ish compression fwiw.
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8
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Re: Airwolf heads
[Re: B3422W5]
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04/14/14 08:10 PM
04/14/14 08:10 PM
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Oh I don't know about that, if I put the bullet .668 lift cam and an 8" vert behind this motor and then put it in my old 69 Dart I think it would be a much more fair combination to compare it to. The Rocky is just a play toy, it's got a 9 1/2" street converter in it and a low lift cam. I didn't intend for the Airwolfs to go on this motor....but I'm sure I'm not the only one on Moparts who'se changed plans before ...  good enough for me at this stage of my life is...well....good enough! The heads will be here if I choose to max them out someday...or not. As the combo sits they're really no better than the SDSS 2's I had on it, maybe not as good. But to me that's still better ( and a lot more fun ) than them sitting collecting dust like millions of dollars worth of race parts are all over the country in countless garages. I used to go wide-open, volume to 11 all the time. Now I find if I don't push it to the limit, I don't go as fast...but I also don't tear stuff up and I get to go out and have fun with my friends a lot more often. And I like that, a lot Si don't blame the heads just because I concieously chose not to test them to their limits....it runs so sweet I really don't justify changing the cam for the couple of tenths I'm sure is there. Heck if I want to go faster I can pull the tops and gate off the Rocky, maybe I'm just lazy....or maybe it's quick enough for me right now.  the only time I ever opened the hood was to show people what it had....never turned a wrench the whole week-end! And my reputation was made not for always having the quickest car, but it was made for always having the car you didn't want to bet against, cause it was always a lot quicker than it looked 
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Re: Airwolf heads
[Re: Streetwize]
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04/14/14 08:28 PM
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That's kinda why I asked if any were being used on a track tested well sorted out race combo. Anyone could and can say well if I did this or I did that it would do this. Heck my 2850 pound pump gas (93) Duster ran 10.06@130mph last year with a 540 lift solid racer brown cam. I ported my Edelbrock heads in a hurry to get back out after my econo W2 heads cracked so they aren't anything special.
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Re: Airwolf heads
[Re: Streetwize]
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04/14/14 09:28 PM
04/14/14 09:28 PM
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Oh I don't know about that, if I put the bullet .668 lift cam and an 8" vert behind this motor and then put it in my old 69 Dart I think it would be a much more fair combination to compare it to. The Rocky is just a play toy, it's got a 9 1/2" street converter in it and a low lift cam. I didn't intend for the Airwolfs to go on this motor....but I'm sure I'm not the only one on Moparts who'se changed plans before ... good enough for me at this stage of my life is...well....good enough!
The heads will be here if I choose to max them out someday...or not. As the combo sits they're really no better than the SDSS 2's I had on it, maybe not as good. But to me that's still better ( and a lot more fun ) than them sitting collecting dust like millions of dollars worth of race parts are all over the country in countless garages.
I used to go wide-open, volume to 11 all the time. Now I find if I don't push it to the limit, I don't go as fast...but I also don't tear stuff up and I get to go out and have fun with my friends a lot more often. And I like that, a lot
Si don't blame the heads just because I concieously chose not to test them to their limits....it runs so sweet I really don't justify changing the cam for the couple of tenths I'm sure is there. Heck if I want to go faster I can pull the tops and gate off the Rocky, maybe I'm just lazy....or maybe it's quick enough for me right now. the only time I ever opened the hood was to show people what it had....never turned a wrench the whole week-end! And my reputation was made not for always having the quickest car, but it was made for always having the car you didn't want to bet against, cause it was always a lot quicker than it looked
Again.... That cam I ran wasn't even a roller, just a flat tappet. It was 560/585 lift with 1.5 rockers, although I ran it with 1.6's. That wasn't much lift either, especially allowing for deflection.
Just 119 doesn't seem impressive at only 3000 pounds. Those heads I am sure SHOULD have much better numbers up to .550 that those very mildly massaged eddies I ran had, not to mention the extra 450 pound weight difference.
Not trying to pick on ya at all. Just very underwhelming results. Your convertor shouldn't be having much if any effect on the MPH numbers.
The combo I am refering also made several 75 mile jaunts to US131 drag way to lay down those 10.70's... Heck that was 12 or 13 years ago now... Lol
I actually should have just kept that combo( bench seat, column shift, flat hood) instead of deciding to throw money at it to get in the 9's 
Last edited by B3422W5; 04/14/14 09:34 PM.
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8
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Re: Airwolf heads
[Re: B3422W5]
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04/14/14 09:33 PM
04/14/14 09:33 PM
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Oh I don't know about that, if I put the bullet .668 lift cam and an 8" vert behind this motor and then put it in my old 69 Dart I think it would be a much more fair combination to compare it to. The Rocky is just a play toy, it's got a 9 1/2" street converter in it and a low lift cam. I didn't intend for the Airwolfs to go on this motor....but I'm sure I'm not the only one on Moparts who'se changed plans before ... good enough for me at this stage of my life is...well....good enough!
The heads will be here if I choose to max them out someday...or not. As the combo sits they're really no better than the SDSS 2's I had on it, maybe not as good. But to me that's still better ( and a lot more fun ) than them sitting collecting dust like millions of dollars worth of race parts are all over the country in countless garages.
I used to go wide-open, volume to 11 all the time. Now I find if I don't push it to the limit, I don't go as fast...but I also don't tear stuff up and I get to go out and have fun with my friends a lot more often. And I like that, a lot
Si don't blame the heads just because I concieously chose not to test them to their limits....it runs so sweet I really don't justify changing the cam for the couple of tenths I'm sure is there. Heck if I want to go faster I can pull the tops and gate off the Rocky, maybe I'm just lazy....or maybe it's quick enough for me right now. the only time I ever opened the hood was to show people what it had....never turned a wrench the whole week-end! And my reputation was made not for always having the quickest car, but it was made for always having the car you didn't want to bet against, cause it was always a lot quicker than it looked
Again.... That cam I ran wasn't even a roller, just a flat tappet. It was 560/585 lift with 1.5 rockers, although I ran it with 1.6's. That wasn't much lift either, especially allowing for deflection.
Just 119 doesn't seem impressive at only 3000 pounds. Those heads I am sure SHOULD have much better numbers up to .550 that those very mildly massaged eddies I ran had, not to mention the extra 450 pound weight difference.
Not trying to pick on ya at all. Just very underwhelming results. Your convertor shouldn't be having much if any effect on the MPH numbers.
The combo I am refering also made several 75 mile jaunts to US131 drag way to lay down those 10.70's... Heck that was 12 or 13 years ago now... Lol
IIRC a racer local to you or a buddy is running these heads, right? What has his experience been like?
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Re: Airwolf heads
[Re: Dunnuck Racing]
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04/14/14 11:41 PM
04/14/14 11:41 PM
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I would have to think most people in the market for Edelbrock RPMs or Air Wolfs, aren't considering them for a max effort small block.
I've been a Big block guy for 33 years. I understand all the nuances, pro's and cons, to everything from OOTB Stealths to Eddie RPMs, Stage VIs, SRs,-1s,B-1s etc. But when the ported X heads cracked on my 389 small block, I had no idea which way to go.
I decided on the Airwolfs based on the criteria of re-using my headers, rockers, etc. The advertised numbers looked better than most of the numbers advertised by commercially available Edelbrock Rpms. My 428 dynoed at 615 at 6500 with a 600 lift flat tappet cam, and while it peaked at 542 ft. lbs. at 4900, it was over 500 from 4200-6400. I'm looking forward to putting that fat torque curve to work on the street!
I couldn't believe the amount of small block guys I talked to who had suffered multiple problems with W-5, and Indy castings, but seemed willing to deal with it for the power numbers they were getting. Likewise, I was shocked at the money some guys are willing to spend to run hard with W-8, and W-9 stuff, made me seem pretty spoiled with all my big blocks! I just refuse to give up reliability, so I tend to be conservative, hopefully in the coming months, and at Drag Week 2014, we will find out if I made the right decision.
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