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4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues #1420985
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I am installing the shifter into the Dart. It is a competition plus, and was with the transmission when I got it years ago.

Gus went through the transmission and shifter for me.

I mocked this stuff up a long time ago. I am pretty sure it cleared, but I may not be remembering correctly.

One of the rods (shorter) is hitting the cross member, and the other is very close. The reverse rod fits fine.

This car was originally an auto car. Did they clearance the cross member at all from the factory on 4-speed cars?

Thanks for all the help.

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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1420986
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Hi Andy
The only thing I can think of is you changed the transmission mount it may have put the trans closer to the crossmember
You may have to put a few notches in the crossmember for the larger diameter shift rods from the Super Shifter so they clear.
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Hi Andy
The only thing I can think of is you changed the transmission mount it may have put the trans closer to the crossmember
You may have to put a few notches in the crossmember for the larger diameter shift rods from the Super Shifter so they clear.
Gus


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1420988
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Gus, it is the same mount and cross member as I mocked it up with. It very well may be that I am not remembering correctly.

I'll mark the interference points pull the shifter and grind away.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1420989
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The lower rod (reverse) Does not look like the correct one for A body. Is that the one thats hitiing?


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One other thing. Unless you had the engine in the angle may have been wrong and the shifter is real close when it's right.

I also agree with Mike on the looks of the reverse rod.

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One other thing. Unless you had the engine in the angle may have been wrong and the shifter is real close when it's right.

I also agree with Mike on the looks of the reverse rod.




Jim, when I mocked it up it was with a bare 400 block, heads, and intake, with the same bell housing, block plate, etc. Now it is attached to a different motor (383). If it is that close "when it is right" then maybe things have changed just enough.

The car is up on jack stands so all the weight of the motor, and front end may be moving things around slightly.

The reverse rod has lots (all relative when you are talking about a big block in an A body of course, lol) of clearance.

Once I make some clearance, I need to get the shifter handle on and make sure there is clearance for the rods in all positions.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1420992
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your rods dont look right to me. these are the correct A-body shift rods with a competition plus shifter.

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your rods dont look right to me. these are the correct A-body shift rods with a competition plus shifter.


The Super Shifter sereis shifters for A body Mopars used diiferent rods than the same year and model that the Competition Plus OEM shifters used OP,as the reverse rod it been 20+ yrs since I installed the last one in that 1968 Formula S 340 Baracuda 4 speed car, but I'm going to agree with the others on here, that rod looks it is original rod for a OEM shifter, not a Super Shifter 3 reverse rod


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There is actually a notch in the crossmember for 4-speed cars. You can just make it out in this pic of my factory 383 4-speed Dart.

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Here are some pictures. Appears that this A-body shifter/rods is not what I was told it was. My fault for believing the guy 10 years ago I guess.

Can anyone ID this stuff?

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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1420998
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Here is another pic.

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Those are the heavy-duty Hurst linkages for race shifters, I have been looking for a set of those for a while now! Let me know if you want to trade for a factory set!


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At least the stock bumper fits on the stock bumper mounts.

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Ah so there is a notch! Is it on one side or both? Looks like one side...


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Did you see my posts above?


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That notch was on both my son's 67 Dart GT and my old 67 Dart GT (both original automatic cars). I believe is also on the 67 Barracudas. I'd have to get the GTS up in the air to see if the '68 had the notch.

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It is not on a few my automatic cars, but then again I have not had many auto's...


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Okay, so these might be correct after all.

My car does not have the notch. Car is a GT originally with a 318/904.


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Good picture of the notch:

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Perfect, thanks Jim!


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Good picture of the notch:




That looks like a homemade notch, mine look MUCH nicer than that, like they are stamped out!


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Good picture of the notch:




That looks like a homemade notch, mine look MUCH nicer than that, like they are stamped out!




Nope. That's factory. The picture may make it look more crude than it is. I cut the sheetmetal out and did not make the notch. I'll take a look at my Barracuda if I get the chance.

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Alright. So backing up a bit... I was just under the car with some good light. I was not paying close attention the other day. There is a notch in the cross member. Feel a little silly that somehow I missed this.

So, I went back through all my pics and found the ones where I put the hump in.

I made more clearance with the grinder. It looks like it will work now, but things are still really close. What kind of clearance do you guys (with A-bodies!) have? There is very little clearance on the front of the cross member (where there is no notch).

The rods cannot be that far off, after all the shifter and rods were on the transmission when I got it.

I was also thinking some more, and the side cover and forks did change from when I mocked it up. I'll need to dig out the old side cover, but I don't see how the dimensions can be any different to affect the rod clearance.

Is it just these heavy duty rods? I am going to try to figure something out with the numbers on the rods. Try to see what I have for sure.

Some pics of the install. This was 10 years ago.

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The heavy duty rods do have clearance issues, everything is very tight in there. I usually mount an engine block with the trans and shifter then put place the hump on the floor before tacking it in if it was an automatic car being switched to a 4-speed, things tend to work better that way.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Rhinodart] #1421020
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Rhino, that is exactly what I did when I put the hump in. Evidently I didn't connect the linkage when I mocked everything up.

I have another thread going. I am really just trying to figure out what I have. The shifter is stamped Competition Plus, but with the reverse lockout makes me thing it is a Super Shifter, unless the CP shifter could be had with reverse lockout?

The shifter is mounted in the stock location with the aluminum plate.

The rods and levers look nothing like the factory stuff. The lever slots are a different angle than the factory, and the rods are obviously thicker.

So, I'm confused as to how the levers need to be installed, as since they are different than factory they might not attach the same way.

Maybe I'll give Jamie and/or Brewer's a call tomorrow.

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The Super Shifter did not have the reverse lockout lever. You had to push down on the shifter to get it in reverse. It was also spring loaded to the right while in neutral, great when speed shifting from 2-3, just shove it up & it went in. I remember the inline had a reverse lockout.


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The Super Shifter did not have the reverse lockout lever. You had to push down on the shifter to get it in reverse. It was also spring loaded to the right while in neutral, great when speed shifting from 2-3, just shove it up & it went in. I remember the inline had a reverse lockout.




Alright. Dunno man. Still trying to make sense out of this.

I might try to give Hurst a call. None of this stuff is available any more, so I'm not too confident that they will be able to help.


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It's a super shifter 3 with that red handle.

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Agree. Even though it says Competition Plus, from what I have found today it is a SS3.

The 2298 plate is for early As, so I am going to get the plate for 67-up and see if that helps my situation.


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Back when I converted my 87 Diplomat over to 4 speed (not available stock) I had to clearance the trans cross member too. Used a mix of A body and F/J/M body parts to do it and a new Hurst Indy shifter. No biggy, especially with aftermarket stuff not designed for the application.


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Back when I converted my 87 Diplomat over to 4 speed (not available stock) I had to clearance the trans cross member too. Used a mix of A body and F/J/M body parts to do it and a new Hurst Indy shifter. No biggy, especially with aftermarket stuff not designed for the application.




I've had to modify absolutely everything on this project. I'm not sure why I thought this would be any different.

I'll get it worked out, just takes time. The car is close to being on the road for the first time in nearly 12 years, so I'm getting a little impatient.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421027
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Rhino, that is exactly what I did when I put the hump in. Evidently I didn't connect the linkage when I mocked everything up.

I have another thread going. I am really just trying to figure out what I have. The shifter is stamped Competition Plus, but with the reverse lockout makes me thing it is a Super Shifter, unless the CP shifter could be had with reverse lockout?

The shifter is mounted in the stock location with the aluminum plate.

The rods and levers look nothing like the factory stuff. The lever slots are a different angle than the factory, and the rods are obviously thicker.

So, I'm confused as to how the levers need to be installed, as since they are different than factory they might not attach the same way.

Maybe I'll give Jamie and/or Brewer's a call tomorrow.

The saga continues.




NONE of what you have , except for maybe the mount on the trans itself, is OEM factory parts in ANY A body.

Clearance what needs to be clearanced , it is what it is .

Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421028
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There are different mounting palates [ shifter to trans ] that change the rotation of the body of the shifter, find out which one you need before chopping up your cross member.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: rowin4] #1421029
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or just buy the correct shift rods and levers from brewers and be done with it...assuming that what you have is in fact a competition plus....


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: mopardude318] #1421030
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I am going to get the correct mounting plate. I have trimmed the cross member already. I didn't take hardly anything out of the rear of the cross member, the factory notch was already there. Where I am hitting now is at the front of the cross member.

I have a thread going on over at FABO, also. There is more detail there. But in short, the levers and mounting plate are from the discontinued 373-8617 kit. Now, the rods are a different story. These are beefy rods, and I cannot find anything based on their part numbers. Hard to say where they came from. The plate that comes with the kit is actually the plate that should be used on EARLY A bodies (2298), not 67-up. Hurst thought one size fits all I guess.

I believe this is a Super Shifter III. I know it says Comp Plus, but it has the reverse lockout, which I don't think the Comp Plus shifters have. Everything I have found tells me it is a SS3.

Anyway, to make a long story short. I am going to get the proper plate for 67-up and work from there. The levers I have are correct. After that, I'll either get new rods if I have to or modify the rods I have, or make a set.

Here is the FABO link if anyone cares:

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=231724

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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421031
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Why change the rods? Rods are body specific all the mounting plate is going to do is slightly move the shifter mounting position, hopefully the floor hump is ok where it is.

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Why change the rods? Rods are body specific all the mounting plate is going to do is slightly move the shifter mounting position, hopefully the floor hump is ok where it is.




I'll only change the rods if I have to. I am hoping that the correct plate puts everything in the right position.

I am not sure where the rods came from, so I am not sure what body they are designed for (which is what started all of this...). I cannot locate the part numbers on the rods anywhere online.

Yeah... I hope the floor hump is in the right place too! I might just to to an auto if that is the case.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421033
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The floor hump has nuttin to do w/the rod placement. If anything, the shifter plate might cure it, but I doubt it. You most likely have the incorrect rods. My

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The floor hump has nuttin to do w/the rod placement. If anything, the shifter plate might cure it, but I doubt it. You most likely have the incorrect rods. My




Yeah, I agree. However, the plate could have ramifications to the hump placement, but in this case I think it will be okay doing a side-by-side on the plates.

Very well may be that the rods are wrong.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421035
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Andy the shifter worked perfect on the transmission so the rods are correct for an A-body transmission.I would just grind the cross member so they have about 1/4" clearance so they wont bind when the engine and trans move around
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Pntastar69] #1421036
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The floor hump has nuttin to do w/the rod placement. If anything, the shifter plate might cure it, but I doubt it. You most likely have the incorrect rods. My






I broke my shifter plate on my 67, No problem , I had a few extras around but the numbers were different, I tried them and either the shifter was to high or rotated so the linkage didn't work. Got the replacement from Brewer Perforemance, all is good.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421037
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I am not sure where the rods came from, so I am not sure what body they are designed for (which is what started all of this...). I cannot locate the part numbers on the rods anywhere online.






The rods are aftermarket Hurst for the A body , they will not work with any other body platform ... the ONLY possible different platform they MIGHt also he compatible with is the Hurst super shifter setup for the 66-70 B body that requires the user to cut out the rear of the floor hump and bolt on a big bracket , but that setup uses different reverse rod than what you have.

Go with what Gus said .

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Since everyone on the edge of their seat with this thread...

Ordered the 67-up plate, will be here tomorrow. Started tweaking the rods last night, 1/2 is much better, but still needs more clearance. Now working on 3/4.



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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421039
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Hope you are not messing up the rods too bad, those are VERY hard to find, I know I have been searching for a set of those for two years now. When they were used on the factory Hemi Darts a special shifter plate was designed especially for those rods. The plate is documented in the Jim Schild guide to Hemi A-Body's.

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Hope you are not messing up the rods too bad, those are VERY hard to find, I know I have been searching for a set of those for two years now. When they were used on the factory Hemi Darts a special shifter plate was designed especially for those rods. The plate is documented in the Jim Schild guide to Hemi A-Body's.




And you tell me this now? If I'd know that they would have been on Ebay for what is a good price, starting bid of 2 grand?

I took pics of them before. I've barely tweaked them. That is why I want to try the other plate. I didn't want to go crazy bending the rods all up nor do I want to cut the cross member more than I have to.

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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421041
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I did tell you last Wednesday, guess you don't keep up on your own thread, take another look through it.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421042
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Since everyone on the edge of their seat with this thread...

Ordered the 67-up plate, will be here tomorrow. Started tweaking the rods last night, 1/2 is much better, but still needs more clearance. Now working on 3/4.






You should be doing nothing till you get the new plate, doesn't make any sense to bend the rods with the wrong mounting position.

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Those are the heavy-duty Hurst linkages for race shifters, I have been looking for a set of those for a while now! Let me know if you want to trade for a factory set!




Rhino, this statement above?

I'm sorry, I guess I misunderstood. I was supposed to understand by the above reply that these were Hemi Dart rods? Anything beyond the stock rods seem to be considered "heavy duty". That and the fact that you seem to know that there was a one-off plate for these rods was not mentioned until lately. Oh well.

Before I do anything else to these rods, *are* these original Hemi Dart rods or are they after market? I understand that since they are Hurst they are technically after market and not original Chrysler. I just want to understand their value. <jab>Probably a little more than the stock ones you wanted to trade me for?</jab>

John, yeah, I agree. I've barely messed with them. Over the years, it is hard to say if these were every tweaked before or not. Either way, 30 seconds and they are back to where there were. What I have done so far will only help with the new plate when comparing the mounting position against the one I have.

Brewers said I would have the plate today. I just want to drive this car...

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Just adding some info for people....

Z BAR TO PEDAL RODS
APPLICATION INSIDE -INSIDE HOLE NOTES
62-5 B-BODY 14 3/4” BEND IN MIDDLE
66-70 B-BODY 12” BEND IN MIDDLE
67-UP A-BODY 12 1/2” OFFSET AT END
E BODY + 71-UP B-BODY 13 1/4” OFFSET AT END

SHIFTER MECHANISMS
E-BODY #7180 ON REV ROD
70 B-BODY #7174 ON REV ROD
A/B-BODIES #6353 ON REV ROD

SHIFT ROD LEVERS
1-2 3-4 REV
67-74 A-BODY HURST 891 890 967
63-8 B-BODY INLAND ROW DIR REV
68-74 B-BODY HURST 891 890 967
71-4 B-BODY BENCH 147 146 148
E-BODY 058 057 368


SHIFT RODS
A-BODY 62-70 B-BODY E-BODY 71-4 B-BODY BENCH
REV ROD 16” 7 1/2 25” 13 1/2”
1-2 ROD 13 1/2” 6 1/4” 17 3/4” 12”
3-4 ROD 17 1/4” 10 1/2” 22” 16 1/4”

ALUMINUM SHIFTER ADAPTER PLATES
68-70 B-BODY #6348
68-76 A-BODY #6350
64-65 A-BODY #2298
* INLANDS HAVE NO NUMBER

BIG BLOCK A-BODY Z-BAR 5 5/8 tube, short arm 4 3/4, long arm goes out and up 5 1/2

Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Cuda340] #1421046
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Hi Folks.

Well, the 6350 plate is installed and it really helped my clearance issues. Still working through getting the rods adjusted.

I've taken some measurements and pics for anyone that cares.

2298

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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421049
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421050
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Looks like the 6350 plate moves the shifter up , back and out some . a stock set of rods would probably fix the clearance issues .

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Looks like the 6350 plate moves the shifter up , back and out some . a stock set of rods would probably fix the clearance issues .




Yep. It moves it around a good bit.

Yeah, probably correct on the stock rods. The hump location is still fine with the 6350 plate.

I've sent a PM to Gus. I have what I think a good neutral adjustment, but I am not able to move through the gears. Trans in neutral, and 3/16" allen wrench through slot and all three plates. Stick floats in neutral left to right.

Had my wife move 1/2 and 3/4 what little it will and the rods are not hitting anything or each other. Just seems like something is bound up. I can go into reverse and that locks the driveshaft, back out of reverse and into neutral can then spin the driveshaft again.

Just realized... maybe I need to readjust the stops? Gus adjusted them, but that was with the old 2298 and different rod adjustment...


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421052
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The alignment hole in the shifter should be 1/4" .

Check and make sure reverse isn't causing your problem.

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Adjusted with 1/4. Same issue. Reverse does not appear to be the issue. It is in the forward position (i.e. neutral). I can grab and spin the driveshaft, no problem. I can engage reverse, no problem, drive shaft will not spin. Can come back out of reverse into neutral.

Still cannot get in any gear 1-4, it is like the forks are hung up, jammed, or something. Shifter plates move free and clear, it is not the stops.



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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421054
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Well it's time to drop the rods off the transmission arms and try shifting the transmission through the gears with a wrench on the arms, they should move freely. if not you probably have a syncro problem.



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Well it's time to drop the rods off the transmission arms and try shifting the transmission through the gears with a wrench on the arms, they should move freely. if not you probably have a syncro problem.






Did that. How much force on the levers is needed? I assume not very much. They both move slightly each way but that is it. Would rotating the engine be worth anything?


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421056
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Andy I have time Sunday If you still have my number give me a buzz and I will stop over to straighten out your shifter issues.
I sent you a PM with my number.
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Gus, I got your PM, and thank you. I hate to have you drive the whole way down here. I'll send you a text and give you a call. Maybe we can talk through this.

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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421058
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Those are the heavy-duty Hurst linkages for race shifters, I have been looking for a set of those for a while now! Let me know if you want to trade for a factory set!




Rhino, this statement above?

I'm sorry, I guess I misunderstood. I was supposed to understand by the above reply that these were Hemi Dart rods? Anything beyond the stock rods seem to be considered "heavy duty". That and the fact that you seem to know that there was a one-off plate for these rods was not mentioned until lately. Oh well.

Before I do anything else to these rods, *are* these original Hemi Dart rods or are they after market? I understand that since they are Hurst they are technically after market and not original Chrysler. I just want to understand their value. <jab>Probably a little more than the stock ones you wanted to trade me for?</jab>

John, yeah, I agree. I've barely messed with them. Over the years, it is hard to say if these were every tweaked before or not. Either way, 30 seconds and they are back to where there were. What I have done so far will only help with the new plate when comparing the mounting position against the one I have.

Brewers said I would have the plate today. I just want to drive this car...

Thanks guys.




Sorry about being cryptic, I forgot half the stuff I used to know 10 years ago! It seems that the plate you just got resembles the Hemi Dart plate, I will have to get out the guide to check it for sure. The rods you have are aftermarket Hurst and were designed for the Hemi Dart and other race applications. There are heavy-duty rods for each Mopar trans and what you have are the A-Body rods. I sold a set of E-Body rods like yours for $125.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Rhinodart] #1421059
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Rhino, no problem. I understand. No harm no foul.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421060
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, me again.

Pulled everything back apart. Installed just the levers (upside down so I can reach them and get vise grips on them). I can get into all 4 gears if and only if I spin the driveshaft back and forth at the same time. Very "notchy" feeling.

I don't have any lube in this thing, never driven it since it was rebuilt. Maybe put in the Synchromesh twirl it a few times and see if that helps?

Or does it sound like I have a problem?

Thanks.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421061
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Get some oil in that thing and spin it. It WILL help. The stop rings and gears are unlikely to be lined up and unlikely to be forced into alignment dry.

Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1421062
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Quote:

Get some oil in that thing and spin it. It WILL help. The stop rings and gears are unlikely to be lined up and unlikely to be forced into alignment dry.





Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421063
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All the gears and sliders have some heavy assembly lube on them and some of the rings may be stuck to the hub on the gear.Make sure you push the clutch in before you try testing the shifter into the gears.
When you want to circulate the fluid put the trans into 4th gear,have someone hold the clutch in while you turn the driveshaft/wheels.That way it will coat the cluster and all the drive gears when they rotate through the lube.
I will call you tomorrow to see how it's going
Gus


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: fourgearsavoy] #1421064
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Quote:

All the gears and sliders have some heavy assembly lube on them and some of the rings may be stuck to the hub on the gear.Make sure you push the clutch in before you try testing the shifter into the gears.
When you want to circulate the fluid put the trans into 4th gear,have someone hold the clutch in while you turn the driveshaft/wheels.That way it will coat the cluster and all the drive gears when they rotate through the lube.
I will call you tomorrow to see how it's going
Gus




Good deal. I'm glad what I am seeing makes some sense. Onward and upward.

While we are on the topic of 4-speeds... , can I get GL-4 gear lube at an auto parts store? Was going to use synchromesh, but then I made the mistake of doing a search on the forum... lol. Was thinking about a mix of synchromesh and gear lube. Some have had issues with synchromesh leaking? I know some guys run ATF, but I am not interested in trying that. Just my preference I guess... seems like gear lube belongs in gear boxes. Again, I am probably over-analyzing.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421065
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I use Mobil 85-140 lube in my 833 Mopar transmissions.When I put the Richmond in my car they recommend Red-Line lube in their transmissions They use standard T-10 syncro rings like any other design box.
It worked well when I had rings in it but when I converted it to Face-plate operation I put the Red-Line shock proof gear oil in it for racing purposes.
Gus


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