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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
[Re: Cuda340]
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04/25/13 11:01 PM
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Hi Folks.
Well, the 6350 plate is installed and it really helped my clearance issues. Still working through getting the rods adjusted.
I've taken some measurements and pics for anyone that cares.
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
[Re: JohnRR]
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04/25/13 11:45 PM
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Looks like the 6350 plate moves the shifter up , back and out some . a stock set of rods would probably fix the clearance issues .
Yep. It moves it around a good bit.
Yeah, probably correct on the stock rods. The hump location is still fine with the 6350 plate.
I've sent a PM to Gus. I have what I think a good neutral adjustment, but I am not able to move through the gears. Trans in neutral, and 3/16" allen wrench through slot and all three plates. Stick floats in neutral left to right.
Had my wife move 1/2 and 3/4 what little it will and the rods are not hitting anything or each other. Just seems like something is bound up. I can go into reverse and that locks the driveshaft, back out of reverse and into neutral can then spin the driveshaft again.
Just realized... maybe I need to readjust the stops? Gus adjusted them, but that was with the old 2298 and different rod adjustment... 
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
[Re: JohnRR]
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04/26/13 10:25 PM
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Adjusted with 1/4. Same issue. Reverse does not appear to be the issue. It is in the forward position (i.e. neutral). I can grab and spin the driveshaft, no problem. I can engage reverse, no problem, drive shaft will not spin. Can come back out of reverse into neutral. Still cannot get in any gear 1-4, it is like the forks are hung up, jammed, or something. Shifter plates move free and clear, it is not the stops. 
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
[Re: Crazy68Dart]
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04/27/13 09:44 AM
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Andy I have time Sunday  If you still have my number give me a buzz and I will stop over to straighten out your shifter issues. I sent you a PM with my number. Gus 
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
[Re: fourgearsavoy]
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04/27/13 10:13 AM
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Gus, I got your PM, and thank you. I hate to have you drive the whole way down here. I'll send you a text and give you a call. Maybe we can talk through this. Tomorrow is better for me as well. 
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
[Re: Crazy68Dart]
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04/27/13 10:51 AM
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Those are the heavy-duty Hurst linkages for race shifters, I have been looking for a set of those for a while now! Let me know if you want to trade for a factory set! 
Rhino, this statement above?
I'm sorry, I guess I misunderstood. I was supposed to understand by the above reply that these were Hemi Dart rods? Anything beyond the stock rods seem to be considered "heavy duty". That and the fact that you seem to know that there was a one-off plate for these rods was not mentioned until lately. Oh well.
Before I do anything else to these rods, *are* these original Hemi Dart rods or are they after market? I understand that since they are Hurst they are technically after market and not original Chrysler. I just want to understand their value. <jab>Probably a little more than the stock ones you wanted to trade me for?</jab> 
John, yeah, I agree. I've barely messed with them. Over the years, it is hard to say if these were every tweaked before or not. Either way, 30 seconds and they are back to where there were. What I have done so far will only help with the new plate when comparing the mounting position against the one I have.
Brewers said I would have the plate today. I just want to drive this car... 
Thanks guys.
Sorry about being cryptic, I forgot half the stuff I used to know 10 years ago!  It seems that the plate you just got resembles the Hemi Dart plate, I will have to get out the guide to check it for sure. The rods you have are aftermarket Hurst and were designed for the Hemi Dart and other race applications. There are heavy-duty rods for each Mopar trans and what you have are the A-Body rods. I sold a set of E-Body rods like yours for $125. 
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
[Re: Crazy68Dart]
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04/27/13 03:23 PM
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, me again. Pulled everything back apart. Installed just the levers (upside down so I can reach them and get vise grips on them). I can get into all 4 gears if and only if I spin the driveshaft back and forth at the same time. Very "notchy" feeling. I don't have any lube in this thing, never driven it since it was rebuilt. Maybe put in the Synchromesh twirl it a few times and see if that helps? Or does it sound like I have a problem? Thanks. 
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
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04/27/13 04:39 PM
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Get some oil in that thing and spin it. It WILL help. The stop rings and gears are unlikely to be lined up and unlikely to be forced into alignment dry.
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
[Re: Crazy68Dart]
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04/27/13 07:43 PM
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All the gears and sliders have some heavy assembly lube on them and some of the rings may be stuck to the hub on the gear.Make sure you push the clutch in before you try testing the shifter into the gears. When you want to circulate the fluid put the trans into 4th gear,have someone hold the clutch in while you turn the driveshaft/wheels.That way it will coat the cluster and all the drive gears when they rotate through the lube. I will call you tomorrow to see how it's going Gus
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
[Re: fourgearsavoy]
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04/27/13 11:37 PM
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All the gears and sliders have some heavy assembly lube on them and some of the rings may be stuck to the hub on the gear.Make sure you push the clutch in before you try testing the shifter into the gears.
When you want to circulate the fluid put the trans into 4th gear,have someone hold the clutch in while you turn the driveshaft/wheels.That way it will coat the cluster and all the drive gears when they rotate through the lube.
I will call you tomorrow to see how it's going
Gus
Good deal. I'm glad what I am seeing makes some sense. Onward and upward.
While we are on the topic of 4-speeds...  , can I get GL-4 gear lube at an auto parts store? Was going to use synchromesh, but then I made the mistake of doing a search on the forum... lol. Was thinking about a mix of synchromesh and gear lube. Some have had issues with synchromesh leaking? I know some guys run ATF, but I am not interested in trying that. Just my preference I guess... seems like gear lube belongs in gear boxes. Again, I am probably over-analyzing.
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