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4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues #1420985
04/16/13 10:45 PM
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I am installing the shifter into the Dart. It is a competition plus, and was with the transmission when I got it years ago.

Gus went through the transmission and shifter for me.

I mocked this stuff up a long time ago. I am pretty sure it cleared, but I may not be remembering correctly.

One of the rods (shorter) is hitting the cross member, and the other is very close. The reverse rod fits fine.

This car was originally an auto car. Did they clearance the cross member at all from the factory on 4-speed cars?

Thanks for all the help.

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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1420986
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Hi Andy
The only thing I can think of is you changed the transmission mount it may have put the trans closer to the crossmember
You may have to put a few notches in the crossmember for the larger diameter shift rods from the Super Shifter so they clear.
Gus


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: fourgearsavoy] #1420987
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Hi Andy
The only thing I can think of is you changed the transmission mount it may have put the trans closer to the crossmember
You may have to put a few notches in the crossmember for the larger diameter shift rods from the Super Shifter so they clear.
Gus


I had to on a stock 1968 4 speed Formula S Baracuda installing the Hurst Super Shifter 3


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1420988
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Gus, it is the same mount and cross member as I mocked it up with. It very well may be that I am not remembering correctly.

I'll mark the interference points pull the shifter and grind away.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1420989
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The lower rod (reverse) Does not look like the correct one for A body. Is that the one thats hitiing?


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: mikeysmopars] #1420990
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One other thing. Unless you had the engine in the angle may have been wrong and the shifter is real close when it's right.

I also agree with Mike on the looks of the reverse rod.

Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1420991
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One other thing. Unless you had the engine in the angle may have been wrong and the shifter is real close when it's right.

I also agree with Mike on the looks of the reverse rod.




Jim, when I mocked it up it was with a bare 400 block, heads, and intake, with the same bell housing, block plate, etc. Now it is attached to a different motor (383). If it is that close "when it is right" then maybe things have changed just enough.

The car is up on jack stands so all the weight of the motor, and front end may be moving things around slightly.

The reverse rod has lots (all relative when you are talking about a big block in an A body of course, lol) of clearance.

Once I make some clearance, I need to get the shifter handle on and make sure there is clearance for the rods in all positions.


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1420992
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your rods dont look right to me. these are the correct A-body shift rods with a competition plus shifter.

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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: mopardude318] #1420993
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: mopardude318] #1420994
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: mopardude318] #1420995
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your rods dont look right to me. these are the correct A-body shift rods with a competition plus shifter.


The Super Shifter sereis shifters for A body Mopars used diiferent rods than the same year and model that the Competition Plus OEM shifters used OP,as the reverse rod it been 20+ yrs since I installed the last one in that 1968 Formula S 340 Baracuda 4 speed car, but I'm going to agree with the others on here, that rod looks it is original rod for a OEM shifter, not a Super Shifter 3 reverse rod


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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Cab_Burge] #1420996
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There is actually a notch in the crossmember for 4-speed cars. You can just make it out in this pic of my factory 383 4-speed Dart.

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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Cab_Burge] #1420997
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Here are some pictures. Appears that this A-body shifter/rods is not what I was told it was. My fault for believing the guy 10 years ago I guess.

Can anyone ID this stuff?

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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1420998
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1420999
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421000
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Here is another pic.

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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421001
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421002
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421003
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Those are the heavy-duty Hurst linkages for race shifters, I have been looking for a set of those for a while now! Let me know if you want to trade for a factory set!


The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.

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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1421004
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