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Re: 833 troubles
[Re: 68LAR]
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04/10/13 04:20 PM
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Unless tranny needs a load to lock up, the above points to the rear end?
Not really.... What happens if you put the transmission in 2nd or 3rd gear with no DS, engine running, clutch out?
Just trying to help.  Example: If 1st gear is the "tight" gear on the main shaft, then it would function properly. If you put the trans. in another gear, then it would act like it is in two gears at the same time and you would have the symptoms/problems you describe.   
In mt test last night I did not try any other gears, as I was concerned about tans yoke with no DS spitting out, however it did not move and I will try in 2 and 3rd tonight since that is a quick test.
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Re: 833 troubles
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04/10/13 04:26 PM
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Do you have "tapered axles" or "tapered bearings" in the rear?
Sure-grips require special length tapered (keyed) axles.
In other words, if you swapped a sure-grip into a pre '65 rear originally equipped with an open differential, you will have major problems.
Supposedly axle lengths were standardized in 1964, but I have never been able to confirm that.
Unfortunately this was addressed 6? years ago, I thought everything measured up fine, it does have 2k miles on it, but i am not sure how a screw up would finally show up, so this definitely needs looking at when coming apart.
To answer your question, they are tapered axles with OEM tapered bearings.
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Re: 833 troubles
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04/10/13 04:29 PM
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On the first go round, were the drums hot after the sticking wheels incident? It would seem that just prior to putting car in gear with it up in the air, you would depress the brake pedal to ensure that a clean shift could occur. At that point, if your shoes are not returning properly, you would see the problem you describe. My 68 Charger did that and it was the most confounding thing. I would apply the brakes and they would stick. It would bleed down but it tooks a few minutes before the shoes would return and the wheels turned freely. I would guess it is something like that.
Spinning the wheels was so hard on the clutch, I don't think it had time to get drums hot, although they never smelled and I didn't touch them see ig any heat was generated, i should have and will next time.
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Re: 833 troubles
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JCC please make some progress with this
 ALL suggestions when diagnosed properly should eventually lead to the problem. After eliminating, what's left is the problem. Not to be sarcastic or insulting, but do you know how transmissions, rear differentials and brakes work? I mean really work? What turns, what's engaged, etc? Just trying to help....
Not sarcastic one bit, In my own mind I'm only above average, which means maybe at least 49% are smarter then me, Anyway Brakes and diff I can troubleshoot and find an issue, tranny's internally are not something at this time in my life, I need to learn about, with all my other irons in the fire. 
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Re: 833 troubles
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04/10/13 04:45 PM
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Not sarcastic one bit, In my own mind I'm only above average, which means maybe at least 49% are smarter then me, Anyway Brakes and diff I can troubleshoot and find an issue, tranny's internally are not something at this time in my life, I need to learn about, with all my other irons in the fire.
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Thank you. We're here to help. All possibilities have been expressed. I choose the transmission possibility, although I'm pretty good with everything. Just do the suggested tries and post the results. We'll help you figure out the problem if you can't on your own.
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Re: 833 troubles
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04/10/13 11:01 PM
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Good news. I got home tonight, ran car w/O DS thru all the cars no difference, did fine, reinstalled Ds, still spins free in neutral, engine off. Rear wheels still bog the engine and lock up immediately when pushing clutch in. So I rev pretty high, dump the clutch and keep the power on for 15? secs, then feel both rear drums, and they are hot. I don't know why yet, but with everyone's help, I think we know where the problem is and hopefully will soon fine out why. I might also have to check out a new clutch  Also may move up my plans for rear discs and dump the tapered axles. it never ends. On to the gushy stuff, I want to sincerely thank everyone for all the help and guidance and refraining my what goofball would have such a problem. I have seen others have problems and many came to the aid, this was my first time and it was nice with you having my back. I hope i get the chance to do the same. And I owe somebody a dollar, right? I will followup with more brake info as I get into it. Thanks again Moparts.
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Re: 833 troubles
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04/11/13 11:48 AM
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Good news. I got home tonight, ran car w/O DS thru all the cars no difference, did fine, reinstalled Ds, still spins free in neutral, engine off. Rear wheels still bog the engine and lock up immediately when pushing clutch in. So I rev pretty high, dump the clutch and keep the power on for 15? secs, then feel both rear drums, and they are hot. I don't know why yet, but with everyone's help, I think we know where the problem is and hopefully will soon fine out why. I might also have to check out a new clutch
Also may move up my plans for rear discs and dump the tapered axles. it never ends.
On to the gushy stuff, I want to sincerely thank everyone for all the help and guidance and refraining my what goofball would have such a problem. I have seen others have problems and many came to the aid, this was my first time and it was nice with you having my back. I hope i get the chance to do the same. And I owe somebody a dollar, right?
I will followup with more brake info as I get into it.
Thanks again Moparts.
Has the car been sitting all this time with the E brake engaged ? If so it might be the rear cables are frozen.
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Re: 833 troubles
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04/11/13 11:58 AM
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Good news. I got home tonight, ran car w/O DS thru all the cars no difference, did fine, reinstalled Ds, still spins free in neutral, engine off. Rear wheels still bog the engine and lock up immediately when pushing clutch in. So I rev pretty high, dump the clutch and keep the power on for 15? secs, then feel both rear drums, and they are hot. I don't know why yet, but with everyone's help, I think we know where the problem is and hopefully will soon fine out why. I might also have to check out a new clutch
Also may move up my plans for rear discs and dump the tapered axles. it never ends.
On to the gushy stuff, I want to sincerely thank everyone for all the help and guidance and refraining my what goofball would have such a problem. I have seen others have problems and many came to the aid, this was my first time and it was nice with you having my back. I hope i get the chance to do the same. And I owe somebody a dollar, right?
I will followup with more brake info as I get into it.
Thanks again Moparts.
Has the car been sitting all this time with the E brake engaged ? If so it might be the rear cables are frozen.
I don't remember if E brake was on while it sat, but I did check both "cables" and they are slack, and remember, the rear wheels turn easy when in neutral and car is lifted. Should be interesting to see What is inside.
On a somewhat humorous note that is related to "whats up with kids...", I had a 30 yr old male help me towards the end of this saga, and I asked him sit in drivers seat and push the clutch in while I hand turned the wheels, and just to be 100% certain, I said the "left pedal", I watched however and his foot headed for the E brake. 
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I had a 1962 Plymouth Fury with the stock tapered axles, I swapped the third member, put the axles back in and thought I had the axle bearing preload set correctly, drove it around the block and then into town, ended up I didn't have the axle bearings seated all the way into the housing, driving around corners seated them 
