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Re: Strut Rod to LCA Bolts Failure? [Re: Sunroofcuda] #1411189
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"you cannot harden stainless" tell that to the custom knifemakers who use surgical grade stainless steel in their creations.

The problem with THIS WHOLE SUBJECT is this:
Saying "stainless steel" is like saying "rice" or saying "bread". All three examples have many, many, varieties and the only thing in common is the name.

It drives me crazy to hear some of the faulty explanations, none of which are true and even if they WERE true it'd only be for ONE VARIETY of stainless steel.

To add to the problem most of the members of this board have little true understanding of metallurgy or "strength of materials". I put that last one in quotes because it is generally a second- or third-year college course for civil and mechanical engineers. It takes time to learn what is really happening, or at least a credible explanation of what is happening.

So for now let's leave it at, "You'd be better off using US-made grade 8 bolts, 6 marks on the bolthead, and using the stainless steel bolts somewhere else."

R. Now I feel better.

Re: Strut Rod to LCA Bolts Failure? [Re: dogdays] #1411190
04/02/13 01:28 PM
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PS: Foreign bolts with 8.8 on the head are NOT grade 8 bolts and should be left in the bin.




X2.

Many foreign bolt manufactuers use metric grading scales which have a different set of formulas for determining strength and a foreign graded 8.8 is not an equivilent to a SAE grade 8. A foreign grade 12.9 may be bit closer to an SAE grade 8.

Agreed on SST types as well. 303, 304, 313, 316, 18-8, there are lots of different stainless grades.

Re: Strut Rod to LCA Bolts Failure? [Re: TC@HP2] #1411191
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I have already purchased the same bolts/nuts in Grade 8 and will swap them out soon.

These were made in Taiwan (just like every other bolt in the store) but they have the 6 marks on them and were marketed as "SAE Grade 8".

Good luck trying to buy bolts not made overseas. Even when I order bolts from McMaster Carr, they are almost always from China/Japan/Taiwan sometimes Germany for the SS rivets. Unless all these hardware stores are just flat out doing false advertising, I think I will be fine with these overseas bolts. I really hope so because I have used these Grade 8's all over my suspension in various places.

I know how people here feel about all things made in China but that seems to be the way of the world.

Re: Strut Rod to LCA Bolts Failure? [Re: dogdays] #1411192
04/02/13 08:51 PM
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"you cannot harden stainless" tell that to the custom knifemakers who use surgical grade stainless steel in their creations......




I agree that "stainless steel" is a pretty general term. But the common 300 series stainless steels can't be hardened by heat treatment like a high carbon steel. I think that's what the comment actually meant.


"We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".
Re: Strut Rod to LCA Bolts Failure? [Re: 6PakBee] #1411193
04/02/13 10:56 PM
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"you cannot harden stainless" tell that to the custom knifemakers who use surgical grade stainless steel in their creations......




I agree that "stainless steel" is a pretty general term. But the common 300 series stainless steels can't be hardened by heat treatment like a high carbon steel. I think that's what the comment actually meant.



and as i stated in the begining, i have not been able to find "good quality" ss bolts i would TRUST to use in suspension applications for street or track use. the most COMMON ss fasteners available today are hardware store imports which are ABSOLUTELY NOT SUITABLE for suspension use. even the "specialty" nuts & bolts places that sell "showcar" stainless fasteners are suspect to me because i feel the asking price for their products seem to indicate only moderate quality. high quality ss fasteners are EXPENSIVE ! oh, don't forget the anti-seize or the threads WILL gall...... and not to stir the pot, but i'm just wondering if "surgical grade" stainless would be suitable for automotive use. maybe apples to cumquats comparison ?

metalurgy and strength of materials have been with me for over 40 years. i understand most don't have the experiance, so i try to simplify explanations.

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Re: Strut Rod to LCA Bolts Failure? [Re: challengermike] #1411194
04/02/13 11:25 PM
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Make sure you look good at the upper control arm mounting tabs that they didn't crack where they are welded to the body. My car I have now had bad strut rod bushings and it broke off the tab that the upper arm bolts into because of the back and forward motion of the lower control arm. The person that owned it before me crashed at the track due to it busting off. This is an a body but im sure it still applys to a b body.




I've seen the mounting tabs have issues with the worn strut bushings also...But in 73 the B body went to a different UCA mounting system attached to the K frame...



Something to look for that has'nt been addressed :
The strut rod is a stout piece in 73 compared to the LCA mounting points...Make sure the loose/lost bolts did'nt oblong the holes in the LCA...You cant have any slop in those holes or the hardware won't have the ability to keep the strut in place...There's quite a bit of shock/stress all working against the fasteners..

Re: Strut Rod to LCA Bolts Failure? [Re: screamindriver] #1411195
04/04/13 10:56 AM
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Make sure you look good at the upper control arm mounting tabs that they didn't crack where they are welded to the body. My car I have now had bad strut rod bushings and it broke off the tab that the upper arm bolts into because of the back and forward motion of the lower control arm. The person that owned it before me crashed at the track due to it busting off. This is an a body but im sure it still applys to a b body.




I've seen the mounting tabs have issues with the worn strut bushings also...But in 73 the B body went to a different UCA mounting system attached to the K frame...



Something to look for that has'nt been addressed :
The strut rod is a stout piece in 73 compared to the LCA mounting points...Make sure the loose/lost bolts did'nt oblong the holes in the LCA...You cant have any slop in those holes or the hardware won't have the ability to keep the strut in place...There's quite a bit of shock/stress all working against the fasteners..




I did check for the holes getting ovaled out and they look good! I am going to try and swap the bolts out today or tomorrow. I used 50 ft-lbs...is this a good spec? What would you guys recommend. This is using blue thread locker.

Re: Strut Rod to LCA Bolts Failure? [Re: cjskotni] #1411196
04/04/13 02:35 PM
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Are they 7/16" bolts? thats what they looked like to me when i glanced at the 73 i am parting out. the torque chart said 63ftlb max for a 7/16x14 grade 8 so I would torque them to 55 with the locktite and call it a day.

Re: Strut Rod to LCA Bolts Failure? [Re: mod5v] #1411197
04/04/13 04:02 PM
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they are 1/2" bolts. I torqued them to 55 ft lbs with locktight.

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