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#14107 - 01/19/05 06:57 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle
AdamR Offline
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Ive got a set sitting in the garage Ive been thinking of using.

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#14108 - 01/19/05 07:35 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: AdamR]
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Around here, circle track guys prefer taller than stock spindles.
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#14109 - 01/19/05 09:20 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Satilite73]
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i am sure the taller spindles will work, but i preferr to stick with what the car was designed for. the engineer that designed the suspension probabley forgot more than most of us know and who knows what additionl stress may be added to the front structure of the car from the taller arm.

besides, i have a few sets and they are impossible to sell. everyone wants the a body spindles.
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#14110 - 01/19/05 09:30 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: 340duster340]
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Once again, all somebody needs to do is make a revised upper control arm, very, very, VERY similar to the tubular and adjustable versions out there that compensates for the change in geometry and puts things back to stock specs. Not only will they make a profit and sell a whole bunch of them, and not only will we all be able to enjoy the splendor of $15 spindles from the pick-a-part, everyone will be happy and this will never be a point of argument again.
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#14111 - 01/19/05 09:39 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Montclaire]
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Firm Feel already makes that revised upper control arm.
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#14112 - 01/19/05 09:46 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: DoctorDiff]
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Firm Feel already makes that revised upper control arm.




Then they should start advertising it. Is it just adjustable, or purpose-made?
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#14113 - 01/19/05 09:51 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Montclaire]
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Magnum Force also makes them also, they advertise in Mopar Muscle.
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#14114 - 01/19/05 09:59 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Montclaire]
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The Firm Feel UCA is available for taller knuckles. Firm Feel advertises they can build them to your specs.

As far as I know, Magnum Force builds their UCA for standard knuckles.
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#14115 - 01/19/05 10:04 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: farmboy70]
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Actually, both of you guys are somewhat incorrect. First, both advertise in Mopar Action, and I could find neither company advertised in recent issues of muscle. Second, while they do offer adjustable upper arms and will take custom orders, I'm talking about a bolt-in, ready to go UCA that requires absolutely no thinking. "Install this upper arm on your (fill in the blank) mopar with the tall spindles and you will have the same geometry as if you used your stock or 73-76 a-body pieces." That's what they need to market, and they might even already make it. But that kind of advertising is what's going to sell parts. Then everyone wins.
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#14116 - 01/19/05 10:06 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: DoctorDiff]
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The Firm Feel UCA is available for taller knuckles. Firm Feel advertises they can build them to your specs.






If they do, they're awful shy about it.
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#14117 - 01/19/05 10:10 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Montclaire]
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Firm Feel offers a bolt-in UCA designed for the tall knuckles. These are not advertised, however. AndyF has a set on his car.

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#14118 - 01/19/05 11:49 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Montclaire]
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The Firm Feel UCA is designed to work with the taller knuckle. An article should be showing up in Mopar Muscle on this trick very shortly. Dick Ross needs to do some promoting of the UCA but it is available now if anyone wants it.

The late model knuckle is 1.5 lbs lighter than the A body knuckle which is another reason to use it. And it provides a tad bit more clearance for the big brake conversions. Here is a pic of the FFI control arm and a FMJ knuckle on my car. But you can't really see the knuckle since the brake rotor is in the way. The MM article will show all the tricks.


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#14119 - 01/20/05 12:46 AM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Montclaire]
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Once again, all somebody needs to do is make a revised upper control arm, very, very, VERY similar to the tubular and adjustable versions out there that compensates for the change in geometry and puts things back to stock specs. Not only will they make a profit and sell a whole bunch of them, and not only will we all be able to enjoy the splendor of $15 spindles from the pick-a-part, everyone will be happy and this will never be a point of argument again.




I posted this question once before and thought it might be worth mentioning again. If you used the Moog problem solver bushings and set them to raise the rear of the upper control arm wouldnt that return the geometry to what the factory intended? It appears that all of the additional height is above the spindle so if you were to raise the rear of the upper arm an equal amount it should be just as good as the original setup. I would welcome any input if I'm in error. Math was never my best subject.
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#14120 - 01/20/05 06:36 AM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Satilite73]
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Somebody did that years ago.

Mostly those of us running them for years.

But now since it's in print it must be gospel, except to those that have an ideological axe to grind against MM or tall spindles.

Thor




Great response. Is there an article out there already that mapped out the diffrences between the two spindles? Yes, a lot of people have said they used them with no problems, but has anyone before taken the time to prove they can be used without problem?

Funny how for all the bashing this subject gets, this post has gotten only two replies so far. Maybe time for a subject line change?




the article was written by Bill Reilley (sp) who does the alterKtion and I thought ran the Big Block Dart site...he knows his suspension stuff, there's a lot of good info in it, and thorough analysis. I'd trust it...
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#14121 - 01/20/05 06:48 AM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Montclaire]
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Once again, all somebody needs to do is make a revised upper control arm, very, very, VERY similar to the tubular and adjustable versions out there that compensates for the change in geometry and puts things back to stock specs. Not only will they make a profit and sell a whole bunch of them, and not only will we all be able to enjoy the splendor of $15 spindles from the pick-a-part, everyone will be happy and this will never be a point of argument again.




Uhh, the guys over at firm feel already do.
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#14122 - 01/20/05 08:18 AM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: patrick]
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Glad to see some responses!

As for the article having been known over at bigblockdart.com, why hasn't anyone mentioned it before? I can't say I've read ALL the spindle threads here, but the ones I read, there was never any mention of someone having proved the tall spindles will work. Its always turned into a pissing match with a bunch of guys just saying stuff like 'I've used them on my car for years'.

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#14123 - 01/20/05 08:25 AM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Satilite73]
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there was never any mention of someone having proved the tall spindles will work. Its always turned into a pissing match with a bunch of guys just saying stuff like 'I've used them on my car for years'.




What more proof could someone want?
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#14124 - 01/20/05 08:39 AM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Satilite73]
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As for the article having been known over at bigblockdart.com, why hasn't anyone mentioned it before? I can't say I've read ALL the spindle threads here, but the ones I read, there was never any mention of someone having proved the tall spindles will work.






If I am not mistaken the Mopar Muscle article was written with input from Firm Feel, I do not remember seeing any referance to bigblockdart.com - AlterKation or anyone else.
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#14125 - 01/20/05 08:50 AM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Nobody]
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Well it was written by Bill Reily who IS alterkation and bigblockdart.

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#14126 - 01/20/05 09:37 AM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Satilite73]
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Glad to see some responses!

As for the article having been known over at bigblockdart.com, why hasn't anyone mentioned it before? I can't say I've read ALL the spindle threads here, but the ones I read, there was never any mention of someone having proved the tall spindles will work. Its always turned into a pissing match with a bunch of guys just saying stuff like 'I've used them on my car for years'.






Then you obviously have NOT read ALL the spindle threads because bigblockdart.com's artical has been mentioned repeatedly, sometimes even by Bill himself who has weighed in on the subject on occasion.

Someone want to explain to my how any UCA redesign that still uses the stock pivot locations is gonna do anything other than lighten your wallet? Cause it ain;t gonna change the roll center unless I am forgetting something.

Thor

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