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#14087 - 01/19/05 08:49 AM Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle
Satilite73 Offline
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Anyone see it yet? Opinions? Someone has finally taken the time to compare the taller later B-body spindle to the popular A-body piece used in brake upgrades. They mapped out the geometry changes through out the suspensions travel, looked for binding at full travel, etc, etc.

They found a few concerns, but for the most part debunked most of the myths floating around.

I won't go into great detail here, that's what the article is for, I'll just say that (as some here have said) the later B spindle will work fine despite being taller.

Hmmm....maybe now's the time I put my extra spindles on ebay?
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#14088 - 01/19/05 09:00 AM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Satilite73]
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Somebody did that years ago.

Mostly those of us running them for years.

But now since it's in print it must be gospel, except to those that have an ideological axe to grind against MM or tall spindles.

Thor

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#14089 - 01/19/05 09:02 AM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Satilite73]
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I just read it,what i got from it it may be beneficial to swap to newer spindles,i will read agian but it looks good to me.


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#14090 - 01/19/05 09:53 AM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle
Satilite73 Offline
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Quote:

Somebody did that years ago.

Mostly those of us running them for years.

But now since it's in print it must be gospel, except to those that have an ideological axe to grind against MM or tall spindles.

Thor




Great response. Is there an article out there already that mapped out the diffrences between the two spindles? Yes, a lot of people have said they used them with no problems, but has anyone before taken the time to prove they can be used without problem?

Funny how for all the bashing this subject gets, this post has gotten only two replies so far. Maybe time for a subject line change?
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#14091 - 01/19/05 11:23 AM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Satilite73]
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#14092 - 01/19/05 11:25 AM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Satilite73]
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Ahhh, the Dulcich vs. E-booger (Mopar Muscle vs. Mopar Action) war over spindles continues.

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#14093 - 01/19/05 11:26 AM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Satilite73]
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Got search?

Been pointed out on this very site for a long time and links provided.

Thor

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#14094 - 01/19/05 11:26 AM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Satilite73]
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bill reilly from www.bigblockdart.com wrote that... i'm sure if anyone wanted more info about it he would be happy to answer the questions....
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#14095 - 01/19/05 11:28 AM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: abodyjoe]
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#14096 - 01/19/05 11:44 AM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: abodyjoe]
dezduster Offline
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Well since we have crap for an alternative, I suppose they will work for average driving conditions. But what if you want big brakes for the G machine performance,not theme. I see it raises the roll center a bunch and this isnt the best thing for handling. So how does this effect say a slalom time or continuos G force? So much that was left out of this article. Normaly steve hits the nail on the head he may have bent it over this time

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#14097 - 01/19/05 11:51 AM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: dezduster]
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Has anyone seen the ad in MCG on page 99 for the disc brake conversion using your original spindles? I'm going to check it out.

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#14098 - 01/19/05 12:06 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Michael]
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I was concerned about the raised roll center also.

Suppose you are in a drag car, with no sway bar and loose shocks and suspension. You hit a greasy spot at half track and get a little sideways. Will that higher roll center hinder your recovery? Will it cause the car to gyrate back and forth until you lose it? Or is it no big deal, won't make any big difference?

BTW, does any one know if software like they used can be downloaded free anywhere?
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#14099 - 01/19/05 12:08 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Hemi_Joel]
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if you guys have questions just go to the forums on www.bigblockdart.com and ask bill himself.....
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#14100 - 01/19/05 01:20 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: Satilite73]
71charger Offline
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We all seem to forget that the "Mopar Action Swap" was originally published in High Performance Mopar back in the 80s. The warning against the taller knuckles was added when he republished that article after Dulcich published his disk swap article, also in HPM. I had what has become known as the "Mopar Action Swap" photo-copied and ready to scrounge parts when Dulcich's article came out. Dulcich's seemed better written and the parts were easier and cheaper to come by so I used the taller knuckles. I've always been amazed at how it's been assumed that if it's published in MA it must be 100% right and no amount of real world examples or experience counts. Bigblockdart has had the info for a long time and somebody at Dodge-Charger.com did exactly what the new article in MM did but, as we know, if it's in MA, it's gospel.

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#14101 - 01/19/05 02:22 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: dezduster]
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taller spindles LOWER the roll center, assuming no other changes.

Thor

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#14102 - 01/19/05 03:46 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle
AndyF Offline
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Not necessarily, it depends on the geometry of the suspension. I'm pretty sure that on a stock Mopar front suspesion the taller knuckle will raise the roll center from below the ground to slightly above it. But it all depends on what your frame of reference is. Bill said something different in his article but I'm not sure he was talking about a factory stock suspension.

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#14103 - 01/19/05 05:00 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: AndyF]
HemiDave Offline
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So F body spindles should be ok, too? That would also mean that Dippy and other spindles would work, too!!

Dave
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#14104 - 01/19/05 05:29 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: HemiDave]
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I ran "F" body spindles on my 64 Polara for about 5 years without incident. Because of the controversy on this site and in the various magazines, when I rebuilt the front suspension, I switched to "A" body spindles. Personally, I could tell no difference in handleing that I could contribute to the spindles. I don't race it, but I do drive it fast and hard. Go with what you are comfortable with.
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#14105 - 01/19/05 05:40 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: HemiDave]
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Someone here has used Dippy/5th Ave spindles on a C body.

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#14106 - 01/19/05 06:26 PM Re: Spindle article in March '05 Mopar Muscle [Re: FuryUs]
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e-mail me that article sat 73 , you been crying about being broke , then hit that job , hell you got more money then me now ,cause i can't afford the magizine. But i need to upgrade my 68 RR, with discs, don't want to pay too much you know. jai@koyote.com

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