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Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? #1399978 03/10/13 03:43 AM 03/10/13 03:43 AM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Went and ran my 440 Dakota for the first time today. 59 Degree 4.125 bore/stroke, W9 heads worked by Ryan at SDSS. CR is only 9:1, was supposed to be a turbo motor, but was stationed in Italy so went away from that. Took it to Cecil today and went 11.25 at 118. 60 ft was 1.578, and 1.589 on the good runs. Running 26x10x16 slicks. A video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AZEXKCcUDQ

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1399979 03/10/13 03:48 AM 03/10/13 03:48 AM
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goldmember master G Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,501 Gainesville,FL	Not enough info to make a guess but off the top I'd be pissed with it. Maybe it weights 4200lbs with 3.23 gears and a stock converter and weak tune up,then I'd be ok.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: goldmember] #1399980 03/10/13 03:51 AM 03/10/13 03:51 AM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	59 degree set up, not a 48. 3898 with me in it.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1399981 03/10/13 03:57 AM 03/10/13 03:57 AM
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goldmember master G Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,501 Gainesville,FL	I hope you need more gear converter and tune? Not enough info to make a good guess. Are you happy with it? Add the correct turbo 15lbs and make 1000hp or so. Last edited by goldmember; 03/10/13 03:59 AM.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: goldmember] #1399982 03/10/13 04:00 AM 03/10/13 04:00 AM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Running a 3.92 gear. 3500 stall. Shifting at 6800. Still working the tune. Should make 10.9's pretty easy.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: goldmember] #1399983 03/10/13 04:02 AM 03/10/13 04:02 AM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Yea, would like to change the pistons to make it about 11.5:1, but the wallet is not in it. Much less a turbo at this point.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1399984 03/10/13 04:05 AM 03/10/13 04:05 AM
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goldmember master G Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,501 Gainesville,FL	It looks to be making a little over 500fwhp,sounds low but if its got a turbo cam,low comp,tight converter etc there's more in it.A 250 shot would wake it up. Last edited by goldmember; 03/10/13 04:06 AM.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: goldmember] #1399985 03/10/13 04:07 AM 03/10/13 04:07 AM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	255 / 263 @.050 668 / 668 lift on a 110 But 9:1 with the 3500 converter. Put down 460 to the wheels, thought it was low, but ran well today for the power level I thought.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1399986 03/10/13 07:13 AM 03/10/13 07:13 AM
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MPerry Mopahts memba' Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,657 Fitchburg,Massachusetts	Is that the 11.25 run? It sounded like you were hitting a rev limiter at :39-:40. If so it should have almost another second in it.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: MPerry] #1399987 03/10/13 11:41 AM 03/10/13 11:41 AM
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TheOtherDodge master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,953 Houston, Texas	As stated above, what run was that? Why did you hit the rev limiter for a while? Whatever that pass was, you left at least .5-.6 seconds on the track.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: MPerry] #1399988 03/10/13 01:26 PM 03/10/13 01:26 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Quote: Is that the 11.25 run? It sounded like you were hitting a rev limiter at :39-:40. If so it should have almost another second in it. No, that was not the 11.25 run. I think that one was 11.91. That is part of the issue, not shift lift. Hopefully get that remedied and I am able to shift at 7k. Possibly take it a little higher.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: TheOtherDodge] #1399989 03/10/13 01:38 PM 03/10/13 01:38 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Here is the 11.27 run. http://s808.beta.photobucket.com/user/rtchas/media/VID_20130309_133911_zpscc943391.mp4.html

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1399990 03/10/13 03:31 PM 03/10/13 03:31 PM
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WO23Coronet master Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,254 Canada	What did your engine dyno? (On the pump not RWHP, just out of curiosity) Also, what did your 59 degree W9's flow? There's been a couple of posts on here lately about how they're a waste of time and to go with 48 degree W9's, so I'm curious what kind of flow you got out of them. Your truck's 1/4 mile time seems pretty impressive, it's running LOW 11's (possible high 10's) with the aerogynamics of a brick, low compression, and an unoptimized set up (not saying your set up isn't good, but it probably could use more gear and convertor if you were going for an all out time, but I'm guessing in the name of streetability you made a compromise on the gearing and converter, as most of us would on a street car). Lots of 440 wedge and Hemi cars running slower than you are. I think people see "W9" and expect 9 second 1/4 mile times

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: WO23Coronet] #1399991 03/10/13 03:38 PM 03/10/13 03:38 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Never had the engine on the dyno. Ryan did the porting, but never got a full flow sheet. I do know it was about 340's at .650 though. I did not want to up the gear, right now I am crossing the traps around 6000 RPM. Converter feels good, able to brake stall it to about 2500 with no issues. Better to brake stall it or go off idle and let it flash?

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1399992 03/10/13 03:45 PM 03/10/13 03:45 PM
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383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	Wow wish I could have made it to Cecil today. Such a nice day. I guess you did not do bad for the first time out on that eng. Ron

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: 383man] #1399993 03/10/13 03:47 PM 03/10/13 03:47 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Quote: Wow wish I could have made it to Cecil today. Such a nice day. I guess you did not do bad for the first time out on that eng. Ron Track was perfect, you could go and make a run whenever you wanted, surprised it was not busy.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1399994 03/10/13 03:56 PM 03/10/13 03:56 PM
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MPerry Mopahts memba' Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,657 Fitchburg,Massachusetts	Quote: Track was perfect, you could go and make a run whenever you wanted, surprised it was not busy. Really wish I could move south. Can't tell much on that video except it may be the same camera guy that filmed The Blair Witch Project.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: MPerry] #1399995 03/10/13 04:01 PM 03/10/13 04:01 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Here is a better one. Skip to 1 min and it is right at the launch. Hit the rev limiter again on this run. http://s808.beta.photobucket.com/user/rtchas/media/VID_20130309_140300_zps68231e6d.mp4.html Last edited by ADakotaRTGuy; 03/10/13 04:02 PM.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1399996 03/10/13 04:07 PM 03/10/13 04:07 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Probably the best video that was taken. http://www.delmarvadodge.com/video/sam-0637

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1399997 03/10/13 06:26 PM 03/10/13 06:26 PM
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Adobedude pro stock A Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1,260 New Mexico	Truck is the wrong color... 2001 Dodge Dakota 408 All Motor 11.27 @ 117.83 mph 2017 NM Mopar Challenge Series Champion.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: Adobedude] #1399998 03/10/13 07:38 PM 03/10/13 07:38 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Quote: Truck is the wrong color... We will agree to disagree, haha.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1399999 03/10/13 07:50 PM 03/10/13 07:50 PM
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1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	Nice passes for being able to run on 87 gas. Lol I think if you changed a few thing it would really pick up.( more gear, some nitrous, bigger conv) Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1400000 03/10/13 07:52 PM 03/10/13 07:52 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Quote: Nice passes for being able to run on 87 gas. Lol I think if you changed a few thing it would really pick up.( more gear, some nitrous, bigger conv) Have the Nitrous system installed, think we had a solenoid fail or would of had some times with that yesterday.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400001 03/10/13 08:46 PM 03/10/13 08:46 PM
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1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	Is this carbed or FI? Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1400002 03/10/13 08:51 PM 03/10/13 08:51 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Fuel Injected

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400003 03/10/13 08:59 PM 03/10/13 08:59 PM
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1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	Looks good, want to sell your valve covers? Plate or fogger? Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1400004 03/10/13 09:01 PM 03/10/13 09:01 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Quote: Looks good, want to sell your valve covers? Plate or fogger? Na, I like the valve covers, they are heavy though. Wasn't someone on here selling a set? I am using a perimeter plate.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1400005 03/10/13 09:07 PM 03/10/13 09:07 PM
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Leon441 master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,330 Lynchburg, VA	Your heads are misleading. Guys hear W9 and start thinking of heads that flow a minimum of 350. Problem arrives when you are porting and having to allow for the pushrod on a 59 degree block. Those dakotas are heavy no doubt. 11.25 is probably a decent number for that combo. If I can help you with your nitrous problems let me know. That is what it needs. Leon Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: Leon441] #1400006 03/10/13 09:11 PM 03/10/13 09:11 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Thanks Leon. We attempted to run the nitrous, but when we looked at the log it was really lean, so we just put it back on the trailer, going to test the fuel solenoid and make sure its spraying. On the dyno it was working fine.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400007 03/10/13 09:16 PM 03/10/13 09:16 PM
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biff426 super stock B Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 935 Deland, Florida	Quote: Went and ran my 440 Dakota for the first time today. 59 Degree 4.125 bore/stroke, W9 heads worked by Ryan at SDSS. CR is only 9:1, was supposed to be a turbo motor, but was stationed in Italy so went away from that. Took it to Cecil today and went 11.25 at 118. 60 ft was 1.578, and 1.589 on the good runs. Running 26x10x16 slicks. A video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AZEXKCcUDQ No credit to Chris at PIE?

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: biff426] #1400008 03/10/13 09:18 PM 03/10/13 09:18 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Quote: Quote: Went and ran my 440 Dakota for the first time today. 59 Degree 4.125 bore/stroke, W9 heads worked by Ryan at SDSS. CR is only 9:1, was supposed to be a turbo motor, but was stationed in Italy so went away from that. Took it to Cecil today and went 11.25 at 118. 60 ft was 1.578, and 1.589 on the good runs. Running 26x10x16 slicks. A video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AZEXKCcUDQ No credit to Chris at PIE? I did on the other site. But yea, Chris at Performance Injection Equipment built it and brought it to the track for me. Good builder to work with.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: biff426] #1400009 03/10/13 09:39 PM 03/10/13 09:39 PM
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1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	I would ditch the perimeter plate. Spray bars work much better. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1400010 03/11/13 10:43 AM 03/11/13 10:43 AM
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Otherlane super stock Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 830 east coast	A 4000 pound truck with a 9-1 small block and a 3500 converter running 11.20s is pretty good to me. Than going though the traps at 6000 rpm.my w8 goes though at 8000 with 4.56 gears.just think if your truck weigh 3000 pounds if the rule of thumb is right that's a 10.20 truck.i think if you want to make this truck fast you can but you have a light set up for nos or turbo.are you running a nos or turbo camshaft?

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: Otherlane] #1400011 03/11/13 11:16 AM 03/11/13 11:16 AM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Yea dont get me wrong for what it is I am really happy. Chris did a great job after I changed the setup on him part way through. He did get a NA cam in there. 256 or so with .668 lift on a 110.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400012 03/11/13 04:34 PM 03/11/13 04:34 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Head flow numbers from Ryan. .100"--76.5/N/A .200"--145.0/113.1 .300"--204.8/167.6 .400"--261.1/215.7 .450"--283.3/227.9 .500"--306.8/236.1 .550"--319.4/240.9 .600"--337.4/245.3 .650"--348.2/248.4 .700"--353.1/251.2

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400013 03/11/13 05:09 PM 03/11/13 05:09 PM
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Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,872 Weddington, N.C.	Lower compression might want higher RPM to squeeze some cylinder pressure out of it. You have the head flow to support it Looks like a good app for spray if your not gonna spool it or pull the heads for more CR. WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: Streetwize] #1400014 03/11/13 05:17 PM 03/11/13 05:17 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Quote: Lower compression might want higher RPM to squeeze some cylinder pressure out of it. You have the head flow to support it Looks like a good app for spray if your not gonna spool it or pull the heads for more CR. Already have the system in there.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1400015 03/11/13 05:30 PM 03/11/13 05:30 PM
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Hot 340 master Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,395 Pa	Quote: Nice passes for being able to run on 87 gas. My thought exactly. That combo is the definition of mild and heavy. I think it works pretty good for not being ironed out yet.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: Adobedude] #1400016 03/11/13 06:06 PM 03/11/13 06:06 PM
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Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	Nothing wrong with the color... and it will absolutely fly with a turbo on it to double the power! LOL

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: Duner] #1400017 03/11/13 06:10 PM 03/11/13 06:10 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	You build it and pay for it Duner, I will put it on, haha. I will even give you a set of W9 Dakota headers in return.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400018 03/11/13 06:14 PM 03/11/13 06:14 PM
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Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	I'm having enough trouble just staying where I am! I have no more money to "invest" in Dakotas.... Yours or Mine! LOL But if you just felt like sending me those heads to see what they do with boost - just let me know!

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: Duner] #1400019 03/11/13 08:30 PM 03/11/13 08:30 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	I will keep that in mind.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400020 03/11/13 08:44 PM 03/11/13 08:44 PM
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dizuster master D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,635 Oakland, MI	118mph with a 440" motor and 350cfm of head flow? Something is seriously wrong. Even if it didn't ET well because of low compression (torque) and tight converter it should have still mph'd better then that. For reference...My old 3700lb belvedere went nearly 114mph with a 440, 484 cam, 8.5:1, and box stock edelbrocks. What did Ryan say? How much timing do you have in it?

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: dizuster] #1400021 03/11/13 08:55 PM 03/11/13 08:55 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Didn't ask Ryan as he did not build it, he just did the porting. Timing is at about 33 degrees, remember though its fuel injected. We know it still has more in it, for a first time out I think its doing very well.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400022 03/11/13 09:29 PM 03/11/13 09:29 PM
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pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,158 PA.	You nitrous heads are funny. If something doesn't run as expected first words out of your mouths is " Hit it with some NOS" Some people can still get it done with some good old hard work. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400023 03/11/13 10:05 PM 03/11/13 10:05 PM
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dizuster master D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,635 Oakland, MI	If you're happy that's all that counts.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: dizuster] #1400024 03/11/13 11:45 PM 03/11/13 11:45 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	So how much power do you think is realistically left on the table by having the compression so low? Raising it to 11:1 would net me what? 60 hp? Maybe more with the good flow from the heads? Hate to dump more money into it right now. I am stationed in Italy and don't even get to enjoy it really. Won't be back stateside till 2015 racing season.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400025 03/12/13 06:33 AM 03/12/13 06:33 AM
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DakFink mopar D Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 506 Texas Afghanistan Iraq etc.	Stick with what you got and go your original route as you had planned, as money allows. Change the Cam, Boost it (Turbo or S/C) and re-tune and you'll be flyin'!! 11.25 is good for a Pig!! And we know these trucks are that!

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400026 03/12/13 09:20 AM 03/12/13 09:20 AM
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TheOtherDodge master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,953 Houston, Texas	It seems like there are a lot of people who don't understand a "power adder" motor. They think N/A the motor should run just as good as a N/A specific motor... Put 15 lbs of boost on that or 250 shot and see how it runs. And thats with a 9:1 compression motor and only 3500 converter and mild gears.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: Duner] #1400027 03/12/13 10:53 AM 03/12/13 10:53 AM
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dizuster master D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,635 Oakland, MI	So other then 9:1 what makes thus a power adder motor? I get that its soft on the bottom end because of the compression and converter, but I would think that it should mph better then 118... The surprising thing is that it actually 60 footed pretty good. 1.58 isn't bad at all for 4000 lbs. How much mph did it go in the 1/8 mile?

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: dizuster] #1400028 03/12/13 10:59 AM 03/12/13 10:59 AM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	It was at 96 at the 1/8th.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400029 03/12/13 12:18 PM 03/12/13 12:18 PM
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julian2007 super stock Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 901 oh	anyone who says your dakota is not bad fast for what it is does not race.make no mistake that ting is fast for what you have in it.I am the frist to call bull $hit on someont when they start with 3900 lb race cars but I know what those dakotas weigh.440 small block+3900 lbs running 11.20's = FAST 7623104-dakota.jpg (28 downloads) God made cold beer,good friends,hot ladies and race cars don't spit in his face by pi$$ing and moaning about how life sucks!!!

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400030 03/12/13 12:25 PM 03/12/13 12:25 PM
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Triple Threat master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington	I agree that truck is fast, using the old rule of thumb 100# = .10, subtract 1000 pounds and its a low 10 second ride. That's fast with low compression, not a ton of camshaft, and mild gears. Especially on the first day out, it will go faster with tuning i'm sure. Be proud of what you have there, it is a nice piece. -Dustin 67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi 68 Barracuda 340 F/SA

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: Triple Threat] #1400031 03/12/13 04:05 PM 03/12/13 04:05 PM
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TheOtherDodge master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,953 Houston, Texas	Generally power adders (depending on what type of power adder) will use a much different gear, converter, compression ratio, cam... For instance, mine is 3.55 geared w/30" tall tire, 3000 converter, 9:1 compression, cam with 0 overlap, shifting at 6000 rpm. This is all because it is set up for turbo and would probably run 12.0 on motor only.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: julian2007] #1400032 03/12/13 04:10 PM 03/12/13 04:10 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Quote: anyone who says your dakota is not bad fast for what it is does not race.make no mistake that ting is fast for what you have in it.I am the frist to call bull $hit on someont when they start with 3900 lb race cars but I know what those dakotas weigh.440 small block+3900 lbs running 11.20's = FAST Julian, that is a nice truck. What is done to yours?

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400033 03/12/13 07:03 PM 03/12/13 07:03 PM
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dizuster master D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,635 Oakland, MI	I'm not trying to knock what you've done. I hope that doesn't come off that way. I'm just telling you that you should figure out what's wrong so you can get the most out of your combo. If this one made 470hp to the tire, it probably makes 550~575 at the crank. Just look at some other combo's. Here is a 340" with unported w9's that made 602hp on pump gas. http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techarticles/engine/mopp_0310_340_engine_600_hp/viewall.html There is no reason why your's shouldn't make more power then this. Even if this one has more compression, your heads are MUCH better then an unported w9. Like I said... sorry if it came off like I was knocking you. I was just trying to help.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: dizuster] #1400034 03/12/13 07:08 PM 03/12/13 07:08 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Quote: I'm not trying to knock what you've done. I hope that doesn't come off that way. I'm just telling you that you should figure out what's wrong so you can get the most out of your combo. If this one made 470hp to the tire, it probably makes 550~575 at the crank. Just look at some other combo's. Here is a 340" with unported w9's that made 602hp on pump gas. http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techarticles/engine/mopp_0310_340_engine_600_hp/viewall.html There is no reason why your's shouldn't make more power then this. Even if this one has more compression, your heads are MUCH better then an unported w9. Like I said... sorry if it came off like I was knocking you. I was just trying to help. That is all great, but you are missing one important part. Those are 48 degree heads. They flow as much as mine out of the box and can go much much higher.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400035 03/12/13 07:26 PM 03/12/13 07:26 PM
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pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,158 PA.	Just another reason why I hate dyno's. They can be manipulated (corrected) like anything else. Every car in popular hot rod and every other magazine has articles about 600 plus cars every month like its a common everyday occurrence. Show me the time slip, which he has done on his first outing to the track, in a VERY heavy, box like vehicle. When you take a 9.1 compression engine and add aluminum heads its almost like a 7.5 comp engine with cast iron heads. At least this guys taking it to the track. Keep having fun in that great looking truck. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1400036 03/12/13 07:30 PM 03/12/13 07:30 PM
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pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,158 PA.	By the way, thank-you for your service of serving our Country. Its because of guys like you that we can close our eyes at night and fall asleep. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1400037 03/12/13 07:58 PM 03/12/13 07:58 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ Duner top fuel
Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	Magazines..... The number of people who have never been to the track to run or even spectate - but still believe they have a 9-second car just staggers the imagination and boggles the mind. They think that way because they read magazines and bench race with their buddies with ZERO basis for reality.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: Duner] #1400038 03/12/13 08:18 PM 03/12/13 08:18 PM
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pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,158 PA.	Quote: Magazines..... The number of people who have never been to the track to run or even spectate - but still believe they have a 9-second car just staggers the imagination and boggles the mind. They think that way because they read magazines and bench race with their buddies with ZERO basis for reality. 110%. I call them bar stool racers. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: dizuster] #1400039 03/12/13 08:21 PM 03/12/13 08:21 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Quote: I'm not trying to knock what you've done. I hope that doesn't come off that way. I'm just telling you that you should figure out what's wrong so you can get the most out of your combo. If this one made 470hp to the tire, it probably makes 550~575 at the crank. Just look at some other combo's. Here is a 340" with unported w9's that made 602hp on pump gas. http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techarticles/engine/mopp_0310_340_engine_600_hp/viewall.html There is no reason why your's shouldn't make more power then this. Even if this one has more compression, your heads are MUCH better then an unported w9. Like I said... sorry if it came off like I was knocking you. I was just trying to help. Here is the side to side comparison. You can see mine has TQ, theirs has RPM, two different motors. I had to hand jam it and convert it all, so might have some errors, but it makes sense. used 18% powertrain loss.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1400040 03/12/13 08:22 PM 03/12/13 08:22 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Quote: By the way, thank-you for your service of serving our Country. Its because of guys like you that we can close our eyes at night and fall asleep. Thanks Pitt, its a pleasure.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400041 03/12/13 09:08 PM 03/12/13 09:08 PM
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imfixinmopars426 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,041 michigan woods	Quote: Quote: By the way, thank-you for your service of serving our Country. Its because of guys like you that we can close our eyes at night and fall asleep. Thanks Pitt, its a pleasure. i think you have a very neat truck,and its fast! and i also thank you for your service to our country! save up for a turbo,and blow everyones mind!

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400042 03/12/13 09:23 PM 03/12/13 09:23 PM
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dizuster master D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,635 Oakland, MI	The flow sheet is there in the article, they only flow 280...

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: dizuster] #1400043 03/12/13 09:31 PM 03/12/13 09:31 PM
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dizuster master D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,635 Oakland, MI	Ok... sorry... you guys got it all figured out. Us racer/engineer types that want to use experience and data must be wrong. If the keyboard experts of moparts want to make you feel better about spending $10k on a motor to run 11.20's, then who am I to tell you different. Good luck...

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: dizuster] #1400044 03/12/13 10:49 PM 03/12/13 10:49 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Quote: Ok... sorry... you guys got it all figured out. Us racer/engineer types that want to use experience and data must be wrong. If the keyboard experts of moparts want to make you feel better about spending $10k on a motor to run 11.20's, then who am I to tell you different. Good luck... So what do you think is the issue? Saying something is wrong does not help anyone. It has quality components. Optimum set up? No, but it is what it is right now. Only thing I could think of is the Intake. That is a straight out of the box 772 intake. What do those flow?

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400045 03/13/13 09:29 AM 03/13/13 09:29 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,953 Houston, Texas TheOtherDodge master
TheOtherDodge master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,953 Houston, Texas	ADakotaRTguy: So you think a set up specifically to run a turbo will run like a bat out of hell without the turbo?

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: TheOtherDodge] #1400046 03/13/13 09:58 AM 03/13/13 09:58 AM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	No, I was pretty happy with the times. I was not expecting that low a run with the potential to run faster when the shift light issue is worked out and I am able to adjust the suspension. I did no changes to the suspension at the track this time, simply worked the tune.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400047 03/13/13 10:55 AM 03/13/13 10:55 AM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	So what do you think is the issue? Saying something is wrong does not help anyone. It has quality components. Optimum set up? No, but it is what it is right now. Only thing I could think of is the Intake. That is a straight out of the box 772 intake. What do those flow? You said it was lean... once you get that right it will make more power.... get on that laptop and give it some fuel.... if the injectors will support it

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400048 03/13/13 01:18 PM 03/13/13 01:18 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ Duner top fuel
Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	Everybody should go to this link and view the graphing HP calculator. http://vexer.com/automotive-tools/1-4-mile-ET-HP-MPH-calculator Put in the weight of the vehicle (4300#?) and move the HP slider until it makes the 118 mph. NOW - move the weight slider down to the weight that most people in race cars race with. (3000#?).... now look at the mph number.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1400049 03/13/13 01:20 PM 03/13/13 01:20 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Fixed the issue with the lean spots at the track last time. That time was a run, but unsure of the shift points. Last edited by ADakotaRTGuy; 03/13/13 01:20 PM.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400050 03/13/13 01:29 PM 03/13/13 01:29 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ Duner top fuel
Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	How much does your truck weigh now?

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: Duner] #1400051 03/13/13 01:30 PM 03/13/13 01:30 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Quote: How much does your truck weigh now? 3898 with my 160 in it.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400052 03/13/13 01:51 PM 03/13/13 01:51 PM
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SLOW67 super stock S Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 928 NC	Quote: You build it and pay for it Duner, I will put it on, haha. I will even give you a set of W9 Dakota headers in return. Come off your current headers and y into a single and bring it back up in the engine compartment, through on a flange, add a cheap ebay turbo (they sell cheapo 88's now) and your in business. I probably have less than $800 in my actual turbo setup, my biggest cost was fuel system and bits and pieces. It's very pretty but my cheap turbo has been through a good amount of abuse and still works great. I bet I ran it two weeks driving it every day with the drain 3/4 stopped up. It puked alot of oil out of the seals but recovered fine after I fixed the drain

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400053 03/13/13 02:24 PM 03/13/13 02:24 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 901 oh julian2007 super stock
julian2007 super stock Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 901 oh	Quote: Quote: anyone who says your dakota is not bad fast for what it is does not race.make no mistake that ting is fast for what you have in it.I am the frist to call bull $hit on someont when they start with 3900 lb race cars but I know what those dakotas weigh.440 small block+3900 lbs running 11.20's = FAST Julian, that is a nice truck. What is done to yours? I was a 446 with b1 bs heads no port work to speak of a 600 lift flat tappet 10.5 to 1 comp two 750 eddys, hooker super comp headers 10 inch converter,456 gears, 14 32 tires power,windows,power stearing,cd,ac,all working lights e-brake.I weighed 3770 lbs with me in it but I had allot of it cut away,like alum fire wall,glass nose,no rear seat,race buckets,alum bed floor.but it had a eu 2000 generator in the bed to run the a/c and to charge the battery between rounds.It went 10.70's it dynoed 575 hp at Bob Kammers in dayton oh Also people in the armed forces are first class all the way 7624547-04Mart%2016.jpg (17 downloads) God made cold beer,good friends,hot ladies and race cars don't spit in his face by pi$$ing and moaning about how life sucks!!!

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: julian2007] #1400054 03/13/13 02:53 PM 03/13/13 02:53 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Very nice ride.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400055 03/13/13 04:21 PM 03/13/13 04:21 PM
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TheOtherDodge master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,953 Houston, Texas	Get your tune correct, put on your turbo as planned, run some 9's and then ask "Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts?" again...

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: TheOtherDodge] #1400056 03/13/13 04:25 PM 03/13/13 04:25 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	The tune is good, Chris from PIE was at the track doing the tuning. Just need to get the Nitrous bugs worked out and be able to shift at 7k vs the maybe 6600 to 6800 I was shifting at last weekend.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400057 03/13/13 04:59 PM 03/13/13 04:59 PM
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TheOtherDodge master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,953 Houston, Texas	Next time you talk to Chris, tell him James from Houston said Hi. He is a good guy!

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: TheOtherDodge] #1400058 03/13/13 05:32 PM 03/13/13 05:32 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Will do.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400059 03/14/13 07:49 AM 03/14/13 07:49 AM
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vc360 mopar V Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 426 Cairns Queensland Australia. T...	If you intend to stay nat asp for a while pull the heads and get a second opinion.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: vc360] #1400060 03/14/13 08:05 AM 03/14/13 08:05 AM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Second opinion on what aspect?

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400061 03/16/13 09:45 AM 03/16/13 09:45 AM
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vc360 mopar V Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 426 Cairns Queensland Australia. T...	Quote: Second opinion on what aspect? Have someone familiar with the w9 take a look, if your a little dissapointed in the performance start there, and give the manifold some love while its off. Maybe see w5dart66 and get him to look at them.

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