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Rollbars/cages livable on the street? #1371161 01/17/13 01:52 PM 01/17/13 01:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,541 USA H hudsonhornet7x OP pro stock
hudsonhornet7x OP pro stock H Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,541 USA	I have a 68 charger that I am in the process of restoring and currently it is a stripped bare shell. I have always been interested in adding a roll bar/cage to it. Does anyone know of a street friendly system that will allow access to the rear seat, and still allow easy access for drivers? I am not too interested in building a jungle gym, just a good system to strenghten the car up. Also, at what point does the NHRA mandate a roll bar/cage? Thanks for any help you can give, HH

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: hudsonhornet7x] #1371162 01/17/13 01:53 PM 01/17/13 01:53 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation dOc ! The village idiot's idiot
dOc ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation	A restro ....with a rollcage ? ... how does that fit ?

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: dOc !] #1371163 01/17/13 01:56 PM 01/17/13 01:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,541 USA H hudsonhornet7x OP pro stock
hudsonhornet7x OP pro stock H Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,541 USA	Call it a resto-mod, then!

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: hudsonhornet7x] #1371164 01/17/13 01:59 PM 01/17/13 01:59 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	At the very least I'd use a 4 point cage (& likely more) plus subframe connectors. No info on a kit but as you said it'd be about how much jungle jim you're willing to tolerate. live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: RapidRobert] #1371165 01/17/13 02:03 PM 01/17/13 02:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,541 USA H hudsonhornet7x OP pro stock
hudsonhornet7x OP pro stock H Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,541 USA	Quote: At the very least I'd use a 4 point cage (& likely more) plus subframe connectors. No info on a kit but as you said it'd be about how much jungle jim you're willing to tolerate. THanks, I have installed subframe connectors, torque boxes, inner fender to firewall braces, and a radiator core support brace. i want to stregthen the car as much as I can.

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: hudsonhornet7x] #1371166 01/17/13 02:06 PM 01/17/13 02:06 PM
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QuickDodge super stock Q Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,151 Cruising!	I wouldn't want a roll cage on a street car. I've been led to believe that a roll cage should only be used in a car where the driver is wearing a helmet,race car style restraints and protective gear. A typical 3 point seat belt allows a person's body to move around in the car to a degree. In an accident, a person's head could slam into the roll cage causing injuries. A roll bar located behind the front seats in a car that doesn't have a back seat would probably be ok, but I'm not an expert on this subject. Last edited by QuickDodge; 01/17/13 02:08 PM.

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: hudsonhornet7x] #1371167 01/17/13 02:07 PM 01/17/13 02:07 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 15,995 RI Deep in the rust belt chargervert I Live Here
chargervert I Live Here Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 15,995 RI Deep in the rust belt	If you go to Dodge Charger.com,and look at the pictures posted by member Elanmar,and see what his car looked like after a side impact crash,you will want to put a cage in every Mopar from this era. My friend was hit broadside in his 73 Road Runner a few weeks ago and the results were about the same. These cars have zero side impact protection. If my friend was hit on the drivers side he would have died. If he had a passenger with them they would have died. The passengers seat was crushed into the drivers seat. He could stand up with his feet on the ground where the passengers seat used to be! The rocker panel and roof were crushed all the way to the center of the car. I'm currently building a 71 Charger for a daily driver,and i'm looking into a cage and beefing up the rocker panels to improve side impact protection. 70 Charger R/T SE 472 Hemi 70 Charger R/T convertible 70 Charger R/T V Code Sixpack 69 Charger R/T SE Sunroofcar 68 Charger 383 68 Charger 318 71 Charger R/T 70 Challenger convertible 71 Challenger convertible 71 Cuda 340 09 Challenger R/T Classic

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: chargervert] #1371168 01/17/13 02:11 PM 01/17/13 02:11 PM
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QuickDodge super stock Q Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,151 Cruising!	Hardtop cars, without a post connecting the rocker panels to the roof do NOT fare well in side impacts! (They look good though!) Last edited by QuickDodge; 01/17/13 02:11 PM.

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: QuickDodge] #1371169 01/17/13 02:11 PM 01/17/13 02:11 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	QuickDodge makes a very good point. I'd want myself strapped in solid or you could add Nascar roll cage padding live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: QuickDodge] #1371170 01/17/13 02:12 PM 01/17/13 02:12 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 15,995 RI Deep in the rust belt chargervert I Live Here
chargervert I Live Here Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 15,995 RI Deep in the rust belt	Quote: I wouldn't want a roll cage on a street car. I've been led to believe that a roll cage should only be used in a car where the driver is wearing a helmet,race car style restraints and protective gear. A typical 3 point seat belt allows a person's body to move around in the car to a degree. In an accident, a person's head could slam into the roll cage causing injuries What would the difference be if you hit your head on the roof frame or pillar of the car verses a rollbar? Atleast you can pad a rollbar. I think you would fair better hitting a round tube verses a squared edge of a pillar or roof edge. 70 Charger R/T SE 472 Hemi 70 Charger R/T convertible 70 Charger R/T V Code Sixpack 69 Charger R/T SE Sunroofcar 68 Charger 383 68 Charger 318 71 Charger R/T 70 Challenger convertible 71 Challenger convertible 71 Cuda 340 09 Challenger R/T Classic

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: QuickDodge] #1371171 01/17/13 02:14 PM 01/17/13 02:14 PM
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chargervert I Live Here Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 15,995 RI Deep in the rust belt	Quote: Hardtop cars, without a post connecting the rocker panels to the roof do NOT fare well in side impacts! (They look good though!) The rear quarter of my friends car folded itself into the rear seat therefore a rear seat passenger would likely have been killed as well. 70 Charger R/T SE 472 Hemi 70 Charger R/T convertible 70 Charger R/T V Code Sixpack 69 Charger R/T SE Sunroofcar 68 Charger 383 68 Charger 318 71 Charger R/T 70 Challenger convertible 71 Challenger convertible 71 Cuda 340 09 Challenger R/T Classic

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: hudsonhornet7x] #1371172 01/17/13 02:16 PM 01/17/13 02:16 PM
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dustergirl340 Chicken Little Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 22,873 Chicken coop	Roll Bar: All cars running 11.49 or quicker must be equipped with a roll bar conforming to NHRA general regulations. Roll Cage: All cars running 10.99 or quicker must be equipped with a roll cage conforming to NHRA general regulations* *By NHRA rules, a roll cage is not required in a full bodied car until 9.99 or 135MPH. A roll cage is required between 10.99 and 10.00 only at speeds of 135 or higher. Always lots of debate on this subject but for me a roll bar or cage equals wearing a helmet and harness. Not something I want to do on the street. Your head can travel a long distance during an impact, and hitting a metal bar (even padded with foam) without a helmet would hurt. Even a thick head like mine.

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: chargervert] #1371173 01/17/13 02:19 PM 01/17/13 02:19 PM
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6PKRTSE master 6 Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,560 Motor City	My Challenger is a street car with a 25.5 cert cage. Drag Radials, Plated insured & parachute mount slides out & can be placed in the trunk. I have a flip down license plate braket on the rear from a 68' Chevelle for the when the chute bracket is on the car I don't have to remove the license plate. 7550763-100_1664[640x480].jpg (111 downloads) 1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute 1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack 1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi 1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL 1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383 1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4 2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4 2012 Challenger R/T Classic.

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: dustergirl340] #1371174 01/17/13 02:19 PM 01/17/13 02:19 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation dOc ! The village idiot's idiot
dOc ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation	NHRA "rules" ... to hook-yerr-car-up ... youz needz a decent set of tires !

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: chargervert] #1371175 01/17/13 02:32 PM 01/17/13 02:32 PM
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QuickDodge super stock Q Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,151 Cruising!	Quote: What would the difference be if you hit your head on the roof frame or pillar of the car verses a rollbar? Atleast you can pad a rollbar. I think you would fair better hitting a round tube verses a squared edge of a pillar or roof edge. The roll cages reduces the amount of space around a person's head and body. Therefore a person's body is more likely to contact a roll cage than the car's body. Now in a severe accident, a roll cage would probably make the car safer. In this type of accident, everyone in the car will likely be injured. In a much more common low speed accident the roll cage would probably make the car more dangerous. (unless everyone in the car is wearing a helmet, etc.) If I was going to attempt to strengthen an older's car's body, I'd be inclined to add reinforcing steel inside the doors, quarter panels, etc. This will be more hassle to install and it probably won't meet competition requirements. But this plan may be the best overall plan for a street car. Unfortunately, it's impossible to make a car completely safe. All we can do is make them safer. There will always be ways to be injured or killed while driving. Last edited by QuickDodge; 01/17/13 02:38 PM.

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: dustergirl340] #1371176 01/17/13 02:35 PM 01/17/13 02:35 PM
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67Satty pro stock 6 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,271 Vista, California	Quote: Your head can travel a long distance during an impact, and hitting a metal bar (even padded with foam) without a helmet would hurt. Even a thick head like mine. I like to sometimes putt around with my three kids in the back seat of the car sometimes. For that reason I will never put a roll bar in my car while it still has a back seat in it. Way too dangerous for whoever is sitting in back IMHO. I'll run 11.50s with a lap belt before I will do that. At the point someday I run faster than 11.49, a roll bar will go in and the back seat will come out.

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: 67Satty] #1371177 01/17/13 04:38 PM 01/17/13 04:38 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 15,995 RI Deep in the rust belt chargervert I Live Here
chargervert I Live Here Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 15,995 RI Deep in the rust belt	I was thinking of making the roof hoop so it would fit up tight to the roof just inside the roof structure,then padding it and putting the headliner over it so it is hidden. I was going to pad the roof with insulation to make it seamless. I was going to make the rear seat cross brace removable so it could come out when people are in the rear seat. It could be held in with cleavis pins,and have padded caps with snaps to fit over the recievers when not in use. 70 Charger R/T SE 472 Hemi 70 Charger R/T convertible 70 Charger R/T V Code Sixpack 69 Charger R/T SE Sunroofcar 68 Charger 383 68 Charger 318 71 Charger R/T 70 Challenger convertible 71 Challenger convertible 71 Cuda 340 09 Challenger R/T Classic

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: hudsonhornet7x] #1371178 01/17/13 05:23 PM 01/17/13 05:23 PM
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BUBBAZ572 MR. CAPS LOCK B Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 109 OHIO	10 PT CAGE IN MY 70 CUDA STREET CAR SWING OUT SIDE BARS NO HALO OR BAR BAR BEHIND THE FRONT SEATS ALSO LEFT OUT THE DASH BAR CAR RUNS 10.0 AND NEVER HAD PROBLEM WITH TECH

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: BUBBAZ572] #1371179 01/17/13 06:37 PM 01/17/13 06:37 PM
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hudsonhornet7x OP pro stock H Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,541 USA	Quote: 10 PT CAGE IN MY 70 CUDA STREET CAR SWING OUT SIDE BARS NO HALO OR BAR BAR BEHIND THE FRONT SEATS ALSO LEFT OUT THE DASH BAR CAR RUNS 10.0 AND NEVER HAD PROBLEM WITH TECH Would it be possible to get a couple pics of your cage? It sounds very interesting.

Re: Rollbars/cages livable on the street? [Re: hudsonhornet7x] #1371180 01/17/13 06:53 PM 01/17/13 06:53 PM
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NANKET master N Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,951 northwest USA	How do you think a classic car would do against a newer car (2000's) in a crash? Answer it to yourself and then watch this and see if you were right. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJrXViFfMGk

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