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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
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11/03/14 03:53 AM
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6.4 hemi, waiting for hot rod computer.
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: SRT6776]
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11/03/14 11:45 AM
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Guess we should add -
TTI headers dont fit past the torsion bars
TTI adapter mounts skew the motor and raise it too high.
Factory pan gasket may not work with the Milodon pan - may need to use a cork rail gasket as well.
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: Moparmal]
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11/03/14 04:01 PM
11/03/14 04:01 PM
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Quote:
Guess we should add -
TTI headers dont fit past the torsion bars
TTI adapter mounts skew the motor and raise it too high.
Factory pan gasket may not work with the Milodon pan - may need to use a cork rail gasket as well.
That's an overly broad stroke of the brush.
My experience:
TTI headers work fine for most. Most require some hammer work.
TTI mounts work great for most. Some don't. Especially if you have a right hand drive car.
Factory truck pan gasket works with RTV where the ribs deviate from the pan at the front corners.
-'02 Dodge Viper Ex-World Challenge racecar
-'73 Duster, 6.1 based 392 hilborn hemi, tko600, full floater rear 9", Hellwig custom bars, viper brakes, built for road course
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: Uhcoog1]
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11/03/14 05:27 PM
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By ALL means,,avoid THIS!!! 
If you like drag racing, support your local track.
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: CHAPPER]
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11/03/14 05:48 PM
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Avoid Total Seal rings on a 4.065 bore.
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: Uhcoog1]
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11/03/14 06:30 PM
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Quote:
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Guess we should add -
TTI headers dont fit past the torsion bars
TTI adapter mounts skew the motor and raise it too high.
Factory pan gasket may not work with the Milodon pan - may need to use a cork rail gasket as well.
That's an overly broad stroke of the brush.
My experience:
TTI headers work fine for most. Most require some hammer work.
TTI mounts work great for most. Some don't. Especially if you have a right hand drive car.
Factory truck pan gasket works with RTV where the ribs deviate from the pan at the front corners.
Sorry Wade...but I think you are mitigating the issues because you think our cars are radically different - they are no different in the engine bay to yours except for the steering box placement.
- I reckon any required peening of the TTI headers is unacceptable in my view.
- This is the one I feel most certain over .,,,,,,,A body forums is full of examples of guys experiencing the same issues I did with the TTI mounts - surerly you've read the comments by SRTcuda etc?
- I cant comment on the truck pan gaskets - All I can say is even with approriate RTV mine leaked like a sieve. FWIW...the main issue was the Milodon pan rail " dimpled" when bolted up to the cast iron rail...there was simply no " give" in the factory gasket.
I may have been unlucky.....But its something to be careful of all the same... 
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: Moparmal]
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11/03/14 06:57 PM
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Has anyone tried the dougs headers?
Also, I am putting together a 68 charger with power steering and eagle heads. Can someone reccommend a header that will do the job?
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: hudsonhornet7x]
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11/03/14 07:25 PM
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Has anyone tried the dougs headers?
Also, I am putting together a 68 charger with power steering and eagle heads. Can someone reccommend a header that will do the job?
TTI's fit pretty good if you make your own mounts....
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: 72Swinger]
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11/03/14 08:39 PM
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Has anyone tried the dougs headers?
Also, I am putting together a 68 charger with power steering and eagle heads. Can someone reccommend a header that will do the job?
TTI's fit pretty good if you make your own mounts....
You should sell your own design...There's def a market for them! 
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: Moparmal]
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11/03/14 09:06 PM
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That's not a bad idea but first you need a /6 k, and you need to cut the driver side mount off the k completely. I would probably sell 2. You go from this:  to this: 
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: 72Swinger]
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11/03/14 09:13 PM
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TTI's fit pretty good if you make your own mounts....
I'm actually considering this. Do you have any more pictures?
I will be throughly annoyed if I have to take a hammer to $750 headers that are supposed to fit my vehicle and my engine.
It really is unacceptable. 
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: 72Swinger]
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11/03/14 09:54 PM
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Thats real interesting 72Swinger - we have found our local " Hemi 6 cylinder" K frame works better than the SB V8. - the pedestals are lower for a start.....
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: Moparmal]
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11/03/14 09:57 PM
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Quote:
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Guess we should add -
TTI headers dont fit past the torsion bars
TTI adapter mounts skew the motor and raise it too high.
Factory pan gasket may not work with the Milodon pan - may need to use a cork rail gasket as well.
That's an overly broad stroke of the brush.
My experience:
TTI headers work fine for most. Most require some hammer work.
TTI mounts work great for most. Some don't. Especially if you have a right hand drive car.
Factory truck pan gasket works with RTV where the ribs deviate from the pan at the front corners.
Sorry Wade...but I think you are mitigating the issues because you think our cars are radically different - they are no different in the engine bay to yours except for the steering box placement.
- I reckon any required peening of the TTI headers is unacceptable in my view.
- This is the one I feel most certain over .,,,,,,,A body forums is full of examples of guys experiencing the same issues I did with the TTI mounts - surerly you've read the comments by SRTcuda etc?
- I cant comment on the truck pan gaskets - All I can say is even with approriate RTV mine leaked like a sieve. FWIW...the main issue was the Milodon pan rail " dimpled" when bolted up to the cast iron rail...there was simply no " give" in the factory gasket.
You are not actually running TTI headers, are you? Nor tried them?
I don't mind denting headers.
The RTV application I'm recommending is in addition to the 'appropriate' places Mopar has you apply. The torque doesn't need to be very high on those bolts.
I'm using TTI spool 73+ mounts. I am pleased. Alex's TTI mounts worked well on his 68. And Steve's on his 66. All four sets of TTI headers have required denting, but only the first borgeson set (old jig) was 'too much'.
-'02 Dodge Viper Ex-World Challenge racecar
-'73 Duster, 6.1 based 392 hilborn hemi, tko600, full floater rear 9", Hellwig custom bars, viper brakes, built for road course
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: GoodysGotaCuda]
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11/03/14 09:59 PM
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TTI's fit pretty good if you make your own mounts....
I'm actually considering this. Do you have any more pictures?
I will be throughly annoyed if I have to take a hammer to $750 headers that are supposed to fit my vehicle and my engine.
It really is unacceptable.
This is the best way IMO.
Buy headers. Make mounts. Much cheaper than buy mounts, make headers.
-'02 Dodge Viper Ex-World Challenge racecar
-'73 Duster, 6.1 based 392 hilborn hemi, tko600, full floater rear 9", Hellwig custom bars, viper brakes, built for road course
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: Uhcoog1]
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11/04/14 02:17 AM
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Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: Uhcoog1]
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11/04/14 10:34 AM
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72Swinger, looks great! Thanks for the pics! Is your mount an upper link mount off a solid axle, like a Jeep or Superduty front axle of some sort? Quote:
This is the best way IMO.
Buy headers. Make mounts. Much cheaper than buy mounts, make headers.
It sure seems like it.
Speedway will sell you a pair of Hemi mounts for $100 that at least have some work done to them for the mounting pad, bushing, bolts and some material coming off of the bushing.
They don't seem all that great for what I am trying to do, sorta seems like something you'd buy and only end up using 10% of by the time you get done. I'll just throw a link in there just in case someone else is looking for a starting point.
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/57-New-Style-Hemi-Weld-In-Motor-Mounts,7634.html?utm_medium=CSE&utm_source=CSEGoogle&utm_campaign=CSEGOOGLE&CAWELAID=1268547904&CAGPSPN=pla&gclid=CjwKEAiAj-KiBRC48YzhnLSg0D0SJAClOhK3nNMM11ZEowzWrMgMVMKl2UKhiKgMseIYd2vfwyVYzxoCk7Hw_wcB
I will most likely just start with a pair of control arm bushings. Their 1/2" bolt, 3" wide should be a good starting point. I can always hack it narrower from there. $11.50ea + some plate and time.
http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/Synergy-Bushing-Kit-p-16605.html
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: GoodysGotaCuda]
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11/04/14 10:52 AM
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What about a front motor plate? 
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: Uhcoog1]
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11/04/14 11:16 AM
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And you havent run the adapters with biscuit mounts, have you Wade?  I agree...havent heard of anyone having any issues with the spool mounts. Wade - Im not sure why you are trying to allude to my experiences somehow being down to user error? My workshop of thirty years experience working on both US and Aussie mopars verified the issue with the engine mount adapters and the pan. This is the same workshop that modified my mounts, fabricated my right side header to get around my steering box, fabricated my radiator bracketry and fabbed up a whole new billet brake booster bracket and linkage to clear the #8 coil cover - they are no dummies. You have seen the pics pf their work - if it had been something dumb I did - I wouldnt be commenting. Furthermore ...my comment on the headers is simply based on the obvious quality issues....they " should" not present the issues they do....and i certainly .dont have to run them to make that observation....so thats a pretty lame criticism to throw at me. And FWIW...at the beginning, I torqued the pan bolts to factory spec....as per the manual and it leaked....end of story. I will acknowledge I didnt go too hard with the RTV though....so maybe that was it....but when we checked the pan rail...it wasnt real straight......probably caused by me over-torquing the bolts trying to stop the leak. We're here to share experiences arent we?.....not cast doubt on others competency. 
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: Uhcoog1]
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11/04/14 12:30 PM
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I have an early car 5.7 in a 71 Demon. TTI headers and biscuit mounts.
I had no modifications to the headers. I did modify the engine mount and bracket to clear a 90 degree oil filter adapter.
Modified the K member for oil filter clearance and made the engine mount slot holes longer.
I reused the stock pan gasket with the Milidon pan, no issues.
The pan to K member was too close, so I modified the K member so the pan can be easily removed.
NMCA NSS 67 Coronet
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Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,,
[Re: Moparmal]
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11/04/14 02:00 PM
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And you havent run the adapters with biscuit mounts, have you Wade?
Yes, I have actually. And I said so above. Alex's 68 RR and Steve's 66 Charger - both biscuit. We all live in Houston, and I helped both drop their motors in.
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Wade - Im not sure why you are trying to allude to my experiences somehow being down to user error?
I'm not trying to allude anything of the sort - I think your builders did a great job on your build. I'm just clarifying for those reading this thread that you do not have first hand experience with the TTI headers, and your first hand experience with the TTI mounts was using them on a right hand drive Australian built mopar.
You say the k member mounts are the same, and maybe it is, but I feel the general moparts reader deserves to know your car is RHD & built in Australia so they can make their own call.
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And FWIW...at the beginning, I torqued the pan bolts to factory spec....as per the manual and it leaked....end of story.
I will acknowledge I didnt go too hard with the RTV though....so maybe that was it....but when we checked the pan rail...it wasnt real straight......probably caused by me over-torquing the bolts trying to stop the leak.
This is the reason for the leak, and is the location RTV is needed. The ribs don't match the pan rail. I run a bead stretching three bolts holes:
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We're here to share experiences arent we?
I agree. So share your experiences or link posts of the experiences of others. Just please don't make blanket statements, as that's not a fair shake for the manufacturer of the parts.
-'02 Dodge Viper Ex-World Challenge racecar
-'73 Duster, 6.1 based 392 hilborn hemi, tko600, full floater rear 9", Hellwig custom bars, viper brakes, built for road course
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