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#2039750 - 03/27/16 01:09 PM Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid and know.. [Re: gregsdart]
ntstlgl1970 Offline
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If you plan to use the late model P/S pump idler (on cars with electric power steering) on an earlier engine (non-VVT), be warned - the bracket is cast of the lowest quality aluminum which doesn't want to weld for @%!T. Think welding the most crappy 50's aluminum casting that's been in oil forever, and it's about that bad. And this was new out of the box, maybe it's made of pot metal....

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#2375036 - 09/22/17 12:32 PM Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid and know.. [Re: ntstlgl1970]
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So...I've read most of these 10 pages and I feel I'm suffering from information overload, LOL. I am obviously a Gen III newbe...my question, simply stated would be if I was going to a salvage yard looking for base parts to build a street strip Gen III what would be the desired parts to put on my shopping list, IE, desired years, configuration, short blocks, intakes, heads, etc.? Hope this isn't oversimplifying my question, thanks in advance. up
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#2375077 - 09/22/17 01:31 PM Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid and know.. [Re: gregsdart]
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hard to beat an eagle 5.7 from a truck, its got the best intake, almost the best heads, decent compression, the pistons are stronger than the earlier one, rods are slightly better, if you don't like VVT (I like it) then it is easy to lock out, if you like MDS (I like it) get one from a 1500 if you dont get one from a 2500 3500 or just leave the solenoids in and don't worry about it. The 6.4 apache cam is a real nice, easy upgrade. Short of coughing up the big bucks for a 6.4 apache or 6.4 BGE and upgradeing the cam with the apache, this is about the easiest cheapest route to big power.
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#2375079 - 09/22/17 01:36 PM Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid and know.. [Re: HotRodDave]
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Good info, thanks, any particular year to stay away from or are any years more desirable than others?
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#2377673 - 09/27/17 10:48 AM Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid and know.. [Re: gregsdart]
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some of the 09-14a have a high mileage lifter issue.
Some timing chain issue, not sure which year.

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#2422794 - 12/23/17 05:55 PM Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid and know.. [Re: gregsdart]
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I just picked up Larry Sheppard's "New Hemi Engines" book from Barnes and Noble. For $20, it's a pretty good read on some of the basics of the G3s, all in one place. My only gripes are he is pretty vague on some topics, touches only lightly on the BGE, and despite it being labeled "how to build max performance", there is very little building tips inside.

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#2467388 - 03/16/18 02:37 PM Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,, [Re: gregsdart]
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1st, I know this is an old thread but I just re-read all 10 pages and didn't see my questions asked or answered.
03 ram 5.7 with 4 cooked rod bearings, suspect a failed oil change to be at fault. I have an extremely low mileage 06 jeep long block to swap in the truck after an .030 overbore ( due to water sitting in the bores and pitting the cyl walls). I'm wanting to know if the 06 MDS cam will work fine in my 03 non MDS build. I already plugged the MDS with billit plugs and the truck was NON-MDS to begin with. I guess my question is, is the cam the same ? The 03 cam looks like it got hot with the rest of the 03 engine. I'm using all the accessories from the truck, just basically replacing the engine with the rebuilt 06 long block minus the MDS.

2nd. Should I swap to the 6.1 valve springs and pushrods while the engine is apart. Short block is assembled, putting the rest together today if possible.

PS. The intended use of this will be a daily driven 2500 4x4 with 4.10 gears, and pulling a boat or camper or race car around.

Thanks in advance.
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#2467397 - 03/16/18 02:49 PM Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,, [Re: gregsdart]
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#1 The cam is not the same, but it's fine to use.
#2 while it's apart might as well upgrade to the 6.1 stuff.
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#2467400 - 03/16/18 02:53 PM Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,, [Re: ric3xrt]
ta3834bbl Offline
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Originally Posted By ric3xrt
#1 The cam is not the same, but it's fine to use.
#2 while it's apart might as well upgrade to the 6.1 stuff.


Thanks for the response. What are your thoughts about using an 06 6.1 cam while I'm at it ? My dealership can get me the cam and springs overnight for around 550 bucks, haven't checked on the pushrods yet.

And if I do the cam, will it need a tune ? Just looking for torque, pulling, mileage.


Edited by ta3834bbl (03/16/18 02:56 PM)
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68 Barracuda 383
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2 '02 Rams 1500 4x4's 4.7s
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#2467559 - 03/16/18 09:31 PM Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,, [Re: ta3834bbl]
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Originally Posted By ta3834bbl
Originally Posted By ric3xrt
#1 The cam is not the same, but it's fine to use.
#2 while it's apart might as well upgrade to the 6.1 stuff.


Thanks for the response. What are your thoughts about using an 06 6.1 cam while I'm at it ? My dealership can get me the cam and springs overnight for around 550 bucks, haven't checked on the pushrods yet.

And if I do the cam, will it need a tune ? Just looking for torque, pulling, mileage.


Other guys here will know better than me, but $ 550 sounds very high for the 6.1 cam and springs.
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#2494910 - 05/11/18 07:41 PM Re: Gen III Hemi, please post things to avoid,,,,,,,,, [Re: hudsonhornet7x]
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Originally Posted By hudsonhornet7x
Originally Posted By ta3834bbl
Originally Posted By ric3xrt
#1 The cam is not the same, but it's fine to use.
#2 while it's apart might as well upgrade to the 6.1 stuff.


Thanks for the response. What are your thoughts about using an 06 6.1 cam while I'm at it ? My dealership can get me the cam and springs overnight for around 550 bucks, haven't checked on the pushrods yet.

And if I do the cam, will it need a tune ? Just looking for torque, pulling, mileage.


Other guys here will know better than me, but $ 550 sounds very high for the 6.1 cam and springs.


I was quoted $68 for a 6.4 cam and $300 for a 5.7 cam. Didn't price the springs. A full set of lifters for my 2012 Ram was a little over $500.

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