C-body Scarebird brakes
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11/18/12 10:43 PM
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I see alot of positive comments about the Scarebird brake conversions when I searched around the web.There were a few negatives about spacers and having to trim the brackets but I am OK with that. So other than the minor fitment issues are there any other issues that would keep me away from installing them on a friends 67 300  Thanks  Gus
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Re: C-body Scarebird brakes
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I cannot speak from firsthand experience on Scarebird, but it is appealing from what I've read. However, why not just go with a 1970-up C body disc set up? Proven set up and parts are reasonable. This is what I did on my 67 Newport. 
Ed
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1967 Newport Conv: 440/4 speed
1969 GTX: 440/4 speed, TX9/TX9, A34, N96
1970 Super Bee: 383/4 speed, B5/B7
1970 Coronet RT: 440/4 speed, A34, N96
1970 Coronet RT: 440/auto, A36, N96
1970 Road Runner convertible: 383/4 speed TX9/D6XW
1970 GTX: 440+6/727, A32, N96
2001 Dodge 2500 HO CTD, 6 speed, 4x4 quad cab long bed
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Re: C-body Scarebird brakes
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I almost went the Scarebird route on my '66 until I scored a factory set from a '73 for free. Keep your eyes peeled, they do pop up occassionally. Recently there was a listing on ebay for a SSBC C-body kit for cheap.
Brian - 1971 Dodge Challenger
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Re: C-body Scarebird brakes
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OK, understood. Please then give us your honest feedback on the Scarebird set up. Thanks.
Ed
EastCoast Land Yacht Assoc.
1967 Newport Conv: 440/4 speed
1969 GTX: 440/4 speed, TX9/TX9, A34, N96
1970 Super Bee: 383/4 speed, B5/B7
1970 Coronet RT: 440/4 speed, A34, N96
1970 Coronet RT: 440/auto, A36, N96
1970 Road Runner convertible: 383/4 speed TX9/D6XW
1970 GTX: 440+6/727, A32, N96
2001 Dodge 2500 HO CTD, 6 speed, 4x4 quad cab long bed
"The early bird may get the worm, but the 2nd mouse gets the cheese".
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Re: C-body Scarebird brakes
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I cannot speak from firsthand experience on Scarebird, but it is appealing from what I've read. However, why not just go with a 1970-up C body disc set up? Proven set up and parts are reasonable. This is what I did on my 67 Newport.
Well if it were my car thats what I would do,but the older gentleman I'm doing this for has limited funds and he cant pay me to go out and scrounge for the parts,clean and blast everything,source all the new parts,then assemble it all and make it work for under $500
I collected all the parts for the conversion on my Savoy for about $350 doing all the work myself.I really don't have the time to do the leg work and this Scarebird deal sounds like the best option for this particular job.
Thanks.
Gus 
I installed a Scarebird Kit on a 65 Fury for a customer and it worked extremely well, easy installation and nice performance. Same situation, customer was on a budget and wanted a nice set of disc brakes in the $500.00 range, I think he had around $425 in them including new Rotors, MC and calipers. They use Chevy Calipers on most of their kits, easy and cheap to buy.
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Re: C-body Scarebird brakes
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I've seen this kit at Carlisle Gus. http://ecihotrodbrakes.com/dodge_plymouth_discbrake_conversions.htmlCompare the caliper brackets. The Scarebird bracket appears to be welded together. http://www.scarebird.com/index.php?id=33I think when the dust settles that the ECI kit will be within a few dollars of the Scarebird and IMHO a better and certainly more complete kit. It is my understanding that they are now making unicast rotors for the 69-72 spindles which are easier to find than the 73's. I think Dr Diff sells sleeves that will adapt the larger 73 bearings to the <73 spindles if the cheaper unicast rotors are fiction. The front pump seal for a 700R4 works for a grease seal. If you put out a call here somebody might have a set of C-body spindles that they would part with for reasonable $$ and you will still be in the same $ ballpark. Kevin
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I've seen this kit at Carlisle Gus.
http://ecihotrodbrakes.com/dodge_plymouth_discbrake_conversions.html
Compare the caliper brackets. The Scarebird bracket appears to be welded together. http://www.scarebird.com/index.php?id=33
I think when the dust settles that the ECI kit will be within a few dollars of the Scarebird and IMHO a better and certainly more complete kit.
It is my understanding that they are now making unicast rotors for the 69-72 spindles which are easier to find than the 73's.
I think Dr Diff sells sleeves that will adapt the larger 73 bearings to the <73 spindles if the cheaper unicast rotors are fiction. The front pump seal for a 700R4 works for a grease seal.
If you put out a call here somebody might have a set of C-body spindles that they would part with for reasonable $$ and you will still be in the same $ ballpark.
Kevin
I used an ECI kit on my R/T when I had it. Everything fit pretty nice, but the only drawback for me was the billet dust caps wouldn't clear a centerless(Magnum 500) wheel. It stuck out too far. If I could have found a flat steel cap off a newer car that would fit and stay put in the billet hub, they would have been great.
They use Camaro/Firebird calipers, pads, and brake hoses. Rotors, too, I think.
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Re: C-body Scarebird brakes
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Check www.cbodydrydock.com for feedback. There are a few guys over there who have messed with the kits.
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I did a set up on my 68 Chrysler 300 Not sure of the brand ? Don't remember now It used a GM caliper which worked good BUT was under size for the size car. Full size mopars are big and heavy and need a big piston in the front caliper, same as a 150 truck. So what ever kit, make sure the calipers are large
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The kit I was looking at used Dodge Ram calipers and 72 LTD rotors which makes for a nice large caliper and big rotor as well I think I will give it a try and give a complete report on the entire conversion. Gus
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Re: C-body Scarebird brakes
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The kit I was looking at used Dodge Ram calipers and 72 LTD rotors which makes for a nice large caliper and big rotor as well
I think I will give it a try and give a complete report on the entire conversion.
Gus
looking forward to seeing this conversion
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Re: C-body Scarebird brakes
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The kit I was looking at used Dodge Ram calipers and 72 LTD rotors which makes for a nice large caliper and big rotor as well
I think I will give it a try and give a complete report on the entire conversion.
Gus
Glad to see someone posted ECI, I would give them the nod over Scarebird due to 're-engineering' that Scarebird had to do after brakes were out on the street. And I'll never be a supporter of sleeves for wheel bearings, that's just an ugly way to meet a goal.
I know we get excited about any disc brake kit, but weren't Fords kinda known for poor brakes back in the day? I know that LTD rotor has less mass than a C-body rotor, and that translates into less robustness to handle heat. Is it insufficient? Only way to tell is to try them...
Interesting to hear about the 700R4 seal. When I was lookign for cheaper 69-72 C-rotor options (which use the same bearign and seals as the drum spindles), the seal was one item I couldn't find a suitable substitute. Might hafta re-open those research notes. 
Parts I seek:
driver doorpanel, 65 Sport Fury, prefer black, needs to be 7-8 on 10 scale, might buy set
16" x 6" Dodge truck wheel(s), from early 70s?, takes 9" dogdish - need for a research job so cheaper is better.
69-73 C-body caliper brackets and/or splashields
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